Re: [libreoffice-design] Cleaning up the default toolbars

Do we have to make the large icons default to bring in the new design
scheme.  It doesn't add any value and with the current layout of toolbars
actually make the window look ugly on all systems bar Gnome 3 where
EVERYTHING is huge and thus looks equally ugly.

Jokes about Gnome 3 aside, it is still a fact that only IT is making large
things default and on every-other OS (even Win8) the normal sized icons
look perfectly fine and and actually come with the added bonus of being
able to fit more of a toolbar in a confined space such as your average
laptop screen.


On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Regina Henschel <rb.henschel@t-online.de>wrote:

> Hi Mirek,
>
> Mirek M. schrieb:
>
>  Hi everyone,
> > Now that we want to bring a new icon scheme to LibreOffice and make large
> > icons the default, it'd be good to make the top toolbars a bit more
> > compact
> > as well.
> > In particular, I was thinking we could condense the standard toolbar
> > enough
> > to share a row with the formatting toolbar.
>
> I don't think that it is possible, because the style and font drop-down
> lists are rather wide. But there are indeed some candidates of icons, that
> can be dropped totally. Unfortunately different users will consider
> different icons as being unimportant.
>
>
>
> > As a first step, I would propose to create a drop-down menu at the end of
> > the toolbar, similar to that in Google Chrome or elementary applications
> > [1]. This menu should hold all the items that we determine not to be
> > important enough to show all the time, but useful enough not to be hidden
> > by default. At the end of the menu, there should be a "Customize..."
> > entry,
> > so that people who have gotten used to a certain button being shown all
> > the
> > time can bring it back easily.
>
> That feature is already there. Decrease the width of the application
> window, so that the toolbar is wider than the window. You get an arrow at
> the end of the toolbar. The real problem is, that this does not work in
> between. If you have two toolbars in one row (e.g. the standard toolbar and
> the find-toolbar) then the first one uses all place it can get to show all
> of its icons. It is not possible to restrict the width of a toolbar to a
> fixed value.
>
>
>
> > This menu should be easy enough to implement, I hope. If a developer wants
> > to do more, he could implement aligning toolbars to the right or
> > drag-and-drop for easy customization, but it's not a necessity right now.
> >
> > What do you think?
>
> I would like to have standard toolbars that are as similar as possible for
> all modules. That would not be possible when mixing it with the formatting
> toolbar.
>
> The formatting toolbar depends on active context. With active picture you
> have another one than in simple writing mode or with text edit mode of
> graphics.
>
> People like to handle toolbar position different on large screens and on
> small netbooks, for example put the standard toolbar to the left on
> netbooks.
>
> So no, I do not like the idea of merging the toolbars. I would more like
> it, if I could fix the width of a toolbar.
>
> Kind regards
> Regina
>
>
>
> > [1]
> > http://elementaryos.org/docs/human-interface-guidelines/ui-t
> > oolkit-elements/toolbars/appmenu
>
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