Re: [libreoffice-design] Where does the design-team go?

Klaus-Jürgen,

You make a good point here: the marketing team is too small to be able to
do anything but PR ans events calendar at that stage. In fact we are
rebooting marketing so cannot work on graphical elements. Assuming we will
do it will only lead to disappointments.

Best,
Charles.
Le 12 nov. 2012 08:58, "klaus-jürgen weghorn ol" <ol@sophia-louise.de> a
écrit :

> Hi all,
> seems to be a very aggressive title?
> My personal impressions are that the design team is loosing the sight for
> graphical elements, and only works on user experience.
> Let me tell what happened the last weeks:
> 1. Taking *all* VI from whiteboard list to playground list.
> 2. Talking about, that it isn't the design team's job for working on
> T-Shirts or other marketing material
> 3. Taking off all Playground lists. Where is the discussion to do this? So
> there is no way to find any work for visual identity.
> 4. There were no dialogs about buttons, banners, conference material etc.
>
> I know that some of you aren't work on VI but there is a huge call for
> banners, web buttons etc. Especially for 4.0. And that isn't the marketing
> team's job.
> It seems that I'm the only one working for this and this isn't good
> because I haven't the skills to do such things for 4.0.
>
> When we do a review we should do a view too:
> I have a simple problem with the whole design working process. The focus
> of all who worked here for the last year was only on [UX]. We have no [VI]
> in work. We don't give the marketing what they urgently need [2]. We as
> Design team didn't work on any stuff for the next Conference.
>
> Look and compare the Whiteboards and the Playgrounds to get a feeling
> about it. Marketing material is in Playground, no working point in
> Whiteboard.
>
> Maybe my words are a bit hard. I thought about all of it the last weeks.
> Then two questions appear to me and I gave them a name:
>
> 1 Nik as a great designer for the stuff here who was away for a longer
> time comes along and asks this question:
> Nik's question: "What stuff can I do for you now to get a really good
> movement in your design? Only one because I have no time to work on many
> things." What would we say?
>
> 2 Bernhard had the experience to get the stuff in a well-structured order,
> so the people can find and work with it easily.
> Bernhard's question: "Where can I find the material to work on next?"
> Let's have a look: "Wiki - Design - ? Aaah Whiteboard, but there is only UX
> and no graphical design. So they need no graphical design?"
>
> Let's do our next work with these two questions.
>
> The marketing team starts a discussion about their strategy [3] and of
> course there are some critics even the design team is concerned [4]. Do we
> get them? Do we work on it? If we don't do this the others made it for
> themselves without us.
>
> And we should do this too: Defining a strategy for design [VI] and [UX].
>
> ------ maybe an own discussion but part of strategy
> I don't think that the voting about the new design in 3.6 happened in a
> really good way no matter what happened with the announcement.
> We should not vote by Google+ or even by IRC. Especially not for the
> design which concerns to our presentation. Google+ can show us some
> direction, and IRC is not my/our tool for community and communication (I
> e.g. am not able to join these IRCs). There was no official discussion
> about the proposals here on the ml (or I missed it). And lack of time isn't
> an excuse for it.
> We need a time plan for such work. So I hope we can do it for 4 in a
> better way. Maybe we need a release plan.
> ------
>
> [1] 
> http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/Visual_**Elements<http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Visual_Elements>
> [2] http://nabble.**documentfoundation.org/**Buttons-Creating-Improving-**
> LibreOffice-web-banners-**buttons-for-external-website-**
> use-td3965958.html<http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Buttons-Creating-Improving-LibreOffice-web-banners-buttons-for-external-website-use-td3965958.html>
> [3] 
> http://go.mail-archive.com/**RKmdltCSiTUjAQdRekKqjvz1eXc=<http://go.mail-archive.com/RKmdltCSiTUjAQdRekKqjvz1eXc=>
> [4] 
> http://go.mail-archive.com/**edAtdbnJUBihTPviowGLB3sxoKc=<http://go.mail-archive.com/edAtdbnJUBihTPviowGLB3sxoKc=>
>
>
> Ok, that was many stuff for you, so I close here and I'm going back to
> work.
>
>
> --
> Grüße
> k-j
>
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