Re: [libreoffice-design] LibreOffice Design team IRC chat

Hi Christoph,

2012/3/20 Christoph Noack <christoph@dogmatux.com>

> Hi all!
>
> Cool idea to organize that IRC meeting ... but first, here are some
> other thoughts I've had when reading your mail.
>
>
> Am Montag, den 19.03.2012, 20:46 +0100 schrieb Mirek M.:
> > 2012/3/19 Stefan Knorr (Astron) <heinzlesspam@googlemail.com>
> >
> > > Hi Mirek,
> > >
> > > > I've had a conversation with Alexander Wilms on IRC today and we've
> > > decided
> > > > that it would be productive if the whole Design team could meet on
> the
> > > IRC
> > > > to discuss relevant LibreOffice UI/design topics. We could start
> with the
> > > Actually, it would be a great idea if we could meet on IRC on a
> > > weekly/bi-weekly basis. Maybe name it something like "Let's talk
> > > design." (which conveniently abbreviates to "Ltd.") and set (a)
> > > topic(s) before we meet. How do you feel about that?
>
> Looking back, the OOo IRC meetings have been quite nice ... although
> usually only few people joined. Here is some stuff to get an idea what
> worked well:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance:Status_Meetings

Thanks for the link.
We should have our own IRC channel as well -- perhaps #libreoffice-design ?

>

[...]
> > > Secondly, there already is a Whiteboard on the topic that Christoph
> > > started some time ago with many pointers to bugs etc – see [1]. I
> > > guess we should use that.
> >
> > OK.
> > The page looks like it needs a bit of clean-up, though -- for example,
> why
> > are suggestions listed under "Current state", and what is the point of
> > "Further information"?
>
> Oh, thanks for referring to this Whiteboard - it really needs some
> cleanup, since some people already started to work on some issues (maybe
> causing other issues *g*) - that's documented in Bugzilla.
>
> Concerning suggestions under "Current state" - I seem to miss them.

Maybe you're referring to the "evaluation" of the today's behavior.
>

I'm referring to the "Issues and User Requests" section, which does include
suggestions such as the link to Jef van Schendel's Blog post. Not really an
issue, though.

Anyway, I tried to clean the wiki up, bring some hierarchy to it. It still
needs some work, though.

One thing I don't quite understand -- why is "Use with the given UI
technology we have so far (=avoid too much toolkit work)" under "Out of
scope"? This reads as "using the UI technology we have so far is out of
scope", while what I think it's trying to say is that "creating new UI
technologies is out of scope", no?
Also not sure about "tbd: Help for Other Contributors (Documentation and
Translation, QA) " under "Status and Roadmap". What do you want to create?


> Proposals and such stuff is handled in the "Draft Area".
>
> The point of "Further information" was to have a section to add stuff
> that fits nowhere else - but I never had such info, so it can go.
>
> > > Thirdly, often times we miss the basis for what we do here. With
> > > everyone going into the direction of touch-friendliness here, it's
> > > easy to steer LibreOffice into even larger inconsistency. What we
> > > need, clearly is some sort of HIG, else we might actually make
> > > LibreOffice worse. This is not to say that we need a completely new
> HIG,
> > > but we need to
> > > either copy/paste the pieces we like from others (it still need s to
> > > be conherent) or need to adapt a pre-existing one that covers what we
> > > need.
> >
> > OK. I started a wiki page for it [1]. It's a good topic for our upcoming
> > IRC chat -- we'll put items in the "Tentative design" section only after
> > we've discussed them.
> [...]
>
> > [1]
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Human_Interface_Guidelines
>
> Some time ago, I made such a list on my personal page - would it be
> helpful to move the table there?
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:ChristophNoack/Temporary_Work_Space

I'd prefer to keep the text to a minimum (for readability). The "Relevant
art" section is really just inspiration for what our HIG should be like. If
a designer would like to help with the HIG, he should check the relevant
art out himself rather than read a description of it.

> Cheers,
> Christoph
>
>
>
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