Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: New icon set

2012/2/20 Sveinn í Felli <sveinki@nett.is>

> Þann mán 20.feb 2012 20:00, skrifaði Christoph Noack:
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>  Am Mittwoch, den 15.02.2012, 14:08 +0100 schrieb Stefan Knorr (Astron):
> >
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> > On 15 February 2012 13:50, Charles-H.Schulz
> > > <charles.schulz@**documentfoundation.org<charles.schulz@documentfoundation.org>>
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > >  - Do we want a reference set of icons?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Mostly, we want to have a well-maintained set of icons.
> >
> > Weither it is called "reference set", or "well-maintained set", I
> > strongly agree to the general idea here.
> >
> >  Currently,
> > > none of the themes meet that definition, as all of them lack icons for
> > > certain actions. That's one of the reasons why I am not exactly 100%
> > > behind creating a completely new icon set – I think, fixing Tango
> > > should go first. Why? Tango may not be everyone's favourite theme
> > > (neither are monochrome icons, ... I digress), but
> > > a) it has an established visual style
> > > b) it's not so hard to find free/license-compliant Tango icons on the
> > > internet
> > > c) the theme already exists and only needs extending and updating.
> > > Nevertheless, if people come up with a new, substantial set of quality
> > > icons, I'll do my best to get it into LibO.
> >
> > Well, I'd like to add two additional thoughts here:
> >       * If we stick with Tango, we might loose some people interested in
> >         icon design, since working on something established is usually
> >         less desired than creating something new. But, since creating
> >         something new (a huge set in a good quality) is an enormous
> >         task, going for Tango seems indeed better.
> >       * I know from talks with Stella (the designer of the e.g. Galaxy
> >         icon set for OpenOffice.org) that she needed lots (!) of time to
> >         cope with the enormous number of icons and thus "unique"
> >         metaphors. So working on an existing set will help us to create
> >         a basis for a new set.
> >
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>
> > However, since we discuss this issue from time to time, wouldn't it be
> > helpful to document a decision by the Design Team? But, of course, this
> > needs some consensus ... basically, it is a sub-decision about the
> > general visual design of LibO. Opinions, anyone?
>
> Some (humble) feedback:
>
> I think a good first step would be to clearly document all the icons
> needed in LibreOffice, naming conventions and other criteria (size, uses,
> fileformat, etc...) Maybe the result could be a sort of icon-map table
> (similar to a character map) for LibreOffice. Maybe this exists already but
> I haven't found it yet. There's some useful info on <https://wiki.**
> documentfoundation.org/Design/**Whiteboards/LibreOffice_**Initial_Icons<https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/LibreOffice_Initial_Icons>
> > .
I agree, maybe we should use a wikipage for that (Something like that
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/NeededIcons - Scuse
me I don't have time to make more today but it's a starting point)

> Working on a couple of existing icon sets (Tango + Oxygen?) should not be
> that difficult if there are good design guidelines for each and if
> interested people could easily see which icons are missing.
>
> Then there might be work on new sets; personally I would never use a
> monochrome set (even with some integrated color coding) - but I admire
> Mirek's design in its simplicity and I think it will appeal to many people.
> Guess my visual detectors are spoiled with colors and forms ;-)

I'm sure we should officially maintain one icon theme (and its variant as
High Contrast) not more. But to choose whether to maintain a monochrome (as
Mirek Proposal) or colorful one, we should list positives and negatives for
each case, UX speaking (not thinking "It is beautiful / It's not beautiful"
: Everyone will have a different opinion on this), just thinking : "How can
it help users of LibO ?" And list this on the Wiki.

> So, I really think there should be choice by default, e.g. one darkish
> stylish theme, an institutional one and a cheering colorful one. For
> example.
The institutional and Darkish ones, as they are monochrome, can be
considered as One icon set to design I suppose, just changing their colour
then... Maybe changing color is possible within the software (having a
basic icon, and software change it's color automatically ?) The colorful
one can stay the Tango one in my way (even if I prefer Human)

And we mustn't forget the High Contrast one

> Finally; even though the compilation/creation of icon themes for
> LibreOffice should be coordinated at LO/TDF, shouldn't we explore the
> possibility of doing the actual design in cooperation with other
> icon-design sites, especially for the existing themes ?
>
> Just thoughts.
>
> Best regards,
> Sveinn í Felli

Kévin

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