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Hi Jean, Sigrid, all,

Jean Hollis Weber schrieb:
Jean wrote:
[...] My first thought is that a variation on
Clearlooks (colour and perhaps font) should work very well. But I want
to do some printing tests on a b/w printer before saying more. I'll get
back to this list with more comments later today (it's 07:00 here).


My tests suggest that for printing in grayscale, the best choice from
Sigrid's collection uses Clearlooks modified to use the Green 1 colour
for highlighting and title bar backgrounds; it has very good contrast
with the white text in title bars and highlighted menu selections. I
used Liberation Sans at font size 11.

You probably used the bold version of Liberation Sans for title bars?

In direct comparison to the standard here on my Ubuntu 11.04 (Ubuntu bold) it looks a bit less clean and calm. But as Liberation Sans is part of our binaries (IIRC) - if it has not been stripped off by the distributions already containing it - I'd go for it too.

I created a screenshot of a LibO window using these settings:

It's quite similar to Sigrid's one, but I don't know the size of her "larger font", so I tried Jean's description.

Compared to the standard Clearlooks theme the headings and selected items (look at my LibO shortcut on the desktop) are not as calm as with the lighter blue - the darker green with it's increased contrast looks a bit aggressive in my eyes.

While this might be an optimum for greylevel printing, I don't think that this high contrast helps us to spread the idea of a friendly, free and open office suite when people look at the color version.

Marketing is much more about feelings than facts. And if I want to convince possible users to try LibreOffice showing them a screenshot that looks less friendly than the desktop they know, it might become unnecessary hard.

Even for printed documentation with colored screenshots I would suggest to use a different theme.

Jean, you wrote, that this theme has "very good" contrast in the windows headings and highlighted text, while the other areas have "good" contrast. Do you think it would be reasonable to find a color with still "good" contrast for headings in greylevel, but harmonizes better with the positive attitude of our branding?

I don't know if Green 2 would serve such a compromise best - perhaps we should think about keeping headings blue (staying more consistent with the view Windows users are used to), if this improves the contrast in greylevel while staying more friendly in color. LibOBlue 2 could be worth a try.

The other parts of Clearlooks (grays and whites in dialog boxes) print
clearly with good contrast. I would be very happy to see the Green 1
variation selected to be the standard LibreOffice theme.

Sorry for not being convinced - perhaps we will not even be able to find a solution that fits all our needs.

If you think Green 1 is the best solution not only for greylevel printing but for colored versions too, it's just my personal opinion that differs.

(And I'm not the target group - neither for documentation nor for our website...)

Best regards


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