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Hi Phil,

I like the idea of being able to configure the position/orientation of many
UI elements such as tabs, toolbars or whatever else gets put in LO. I too
wonder what the effort would be for the side by side layout. I have a little
experience with programming but absolutely no experience of the LO/OOo code
base. I can estimate that tabs would be a fairly major project. However, the
side by side project shouldn't be too much effort once tabs are done. Since
tabs require the ability to swap in/out different document windows without
affecting the rest of the interface, the ability to resize two document
windows and display them side by side shouldn't be too much of an extra
hack. Since IBM have proven you can get tabs going on the OO codebase with
Lotus Symphony, all of this stuff might just be feasible with LibreOffice.
It would be interesting to have an actual LO developer weigh in on some of
this stuff.

Thanks,
Patrick

On 11 June 2011 21:56, Phil Jackson <sapient@clear.net.nz> wrote:


Hi Patrick

Nice Mock-ups of Tabbed Folders and Side-by-side documents.

I think the way you've done the layout for side-by-side to be extremely
effective. I wonder how easy/difficult it would be for the programmers to
develop?

Now you have the whiteboard page done, we have it recorded and we can now
discuss it and see what we can do with it.

For the general discussion of Tabbed Folders, I appreciate that a vertical
display might seem unnecessarily wide, but if we look at some of the
proposals to have Drawers and/or Word (as opposed to icon) menus, then there
would be room at the top of one of these to display as much of the document
title as required to recognise it.

If at the end of all this, there are several different options of tools,
ones that can function vertically or horizontally, or ones that are
specifically designed for horizontal or vertical placement, then the user
can choose what style they want and when someone can individualise a system
like this, they feel in control and more likely to want to use it and
recommend it to others.

Cheers

Phil Jackson

On 6/12/2011 8:12 AM, Patrick Scott wrote:


Hi all,


So I spent the afternoon exploring what tabbed documents might look like
using GIMP. I installed the Ubuntu Global menu extension, took a
screenshot
and then added in some Chromium tabs to the standard LibreOffice 3.3 UI.
Here is the result:

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LO-Tabs.png

As you can see it looks extremely slick and I think the community would be
really excited if LO brought something like this to the table.

On a related note, earlier in this thread, Phil Jackson had the suggestion
of being able to see documents side by side without the unnecessary
duplication of menus. This is my interpretation of his suggestion. I added
a "pin" button to each of the chromium tabs. "Pinning" a tab would set an
orange border around the document window, shrink it to half size and then
open up the next tabbed document in a new document window alongside it. I
also gave each document window a titlebar to distinguish between them.
Finally, I put a little<->  widget in the titlebar which could allow the
user to toggle the side by side docuements perspective to a one document
below the other perspective. Here is the result:

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LO-Tabs-SideBySide.png

I think this could be an interesting concept and might be worth thinking
about if we go down the tabbed document route, However, while these
features
could be very useful for writer and calc, I'm not sure If there'd be much
benefit to the rest of the suite.

Please everyone, let me know your thoughts on this.

Thanks,
Patrick

On 11 June 2011 14:06, Patrick Scott<patrickscott52@gmail.com>  wrote:

 Hi Christopher, Phil


Also, to save on screen real estate, such a tab toolbar could be
automatically hidden when only one document is open. Phil, I find it hard
to
imagine what vertical tabs would look like but it seems like an
interesting
concept. However, it might be a hard sell since users are already so
familiar with tabbed browsing, it makes sense to remain consistent with
them. I'm very interested in your side by side documents suggestion. I
can
imagine a little "pin" button on a tab which opens a different tab along
side the pinned document, while any changes in tab selection would change
the opened document in the new space leaving the pinned document open
until
it is unpinned. I'm going to work on a few mockups for this I think...

Thanks,
Patrick


On 11 June 2011 12:13, Christopher Stark<christopherstark@gmx.de>
 wrote:

 Hi,


my suggestion would be to have the tabs horizontally but in a toolbar
that can  be activated or deactivated. If it is deactivated then other
or new documents appear in new windows, if it is activated in tabs.

Christopher



Am 11.06.2011 06:53, schrieb Cyril Arnaud:


I'm personally not so sure about the vertical tabs.
If the tabs are similar to the one you can use on chromium for
instance,


you


save more screen realestate than with a vertical bar.
Using tab should be very discreet since it's not necessary for your


activity


in one doc, but could increase your efficiency when you work on several
documents at the same time.

-- Cyril Arnaud
On Jun 11, 2011 12:13 AM, "planas"<jslozier@gmail.com>  wrote:


Hi Phil and Patrick

On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 09:54 +1200, Phil Jackson wrote:

 Hi Patrick


This could work also if there was an option for vertical tabs to the
left. Certainly it is important for Writer to maximise vertical space
for document display and some users (including me) would like to see
this idea as an option on the left or right.

It could be part of another toolbar with a maximum list of 3-5 items
that could be scrollable, on top of a list of other tools.

I think that having a single click of keyboard command that switches
between documents is essential - I'm sure I am not in the minority in
sometimes wanting to be able to switch quickly between two different
documents either for comparison purposes or to copy and paste between


them.



It also therefore raises an interesting new idea which might be beyond

the scope of this suite - have a mode where you can display two
different documents side-by-side, each with its own vertical scroll
bars, displayed in slightly shrunk fonts with the ability to copy and
paste directly between the two. Obviously you can change the screen


size



of two different sessions of Write and achieve the same but this takes



a



little time and you still get unnecessary duplication of menus. On



some



wide screens this would be very useful occasionally and again



something



that would give it another point of difference.


This idea could be used for Calc.

Cheers

Phil Jackson

On 6/11/2011 8:55 AM, Patrick Scott wrote:


Hi all.

What do people think about tabbed documents a la Lotus Symphony. I


wouldn't



have much use for it myself but I keep seeing the suggestion pop up



in



the


comments on forums and articles etc so it's seems like it might be an

important feature for some [and another means of differentiating


ourselves



from OO and MS Office]. I've looked a few pages back through the



archives



and couldn't see any mention of it and since I've only been on this



list for



a couple of days I thought I'd just ask if it was on the radar for

LibreOffice.

Tabbed Documents in Lotus Symphony:



http://static.howtoforge.com/images/IBM_Lotus_Symphony_On_Ubuntu704/pic8.jpg


Thanks,

Patrick

 The side by side view would be very useful in Writer and Calc.

Also,
Phil I think you correct about the placement on the side.

--
Jay Lozier
jslozier@gmail.com

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