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Hi Patrick

Nice Mock-ups of Tabbed Folders and Side-by-side documents.

I think the way you've done the layout for side-by-side to be extremely effective. I wonder how easy/difficult it would be for the programmers to develop?

Now you have the whiteboard page done, we have it recorded and we can now discuss it and see what we can do with it.

For the general discussion of Tabbed Folders, I appreciate that a vertical display might seem unnecessarily wide, but if we look at some of the proposals to have Drawers and/or Word (as opposed to icon) menus, then there would be room at the top of one of these to display as much of the document title as required to recognise it.

If at the end of all this, there are several different options of tools, ones that can function vertically or horizontally, or ones that are specifically designed for horizontal or vertical placement, then the user can choose what style they want and when someone can individualise a system like this, they feel in control and more likely to want to use it and recommend it to others.


Phil Jackson

On 6/12/2011 8:12 AM, Patrick Scott wrote:
Hi all,

So I spent the afternoon exploring what tabbed documents might look like
using GIMP. I installed the Ubuntu Global menu extension, took a screenshot
and then added in some Chromium tabs to the standard LibreOffice 3.3 UI.
Here is the result:

As you can see it looks extremely slick and I think the community would be
really excited if LO brought something like this to the table.

On a related note, earlier in this thread, Phil Jackson had the suggestion
of being able to see documents side by side without the unnecessary
duplication of menus. This is my interpretation of his suggestion. I added
a "pin" button to each of the chromium tabs. "Pinning" a tab would set an
orange border around the document window, shrink it to half size and then
open up the next tabbed document in a new document window alongside it. I
also gave each document window a titlebar to distinguish between them.
Finally, I put a little<->  widget in the titlebar which could allow the
user to toggle the side by side docuements perspective to a one document
below the other perspective. Here is the result:

I think this could be an interesting concept and might be worth thinking
about if we go down the tabbed document route, However, while these features
could be very useful for writer and calc, I'm not sure If there'd be much
benefit to the rest of the suite.

Please everyone, let me know your thoughts on this.


On 11 June 2011 14:06, Patrick Scott<>  wrote:

Hi Christopher, Phil

Also, to save on screen real estate, such a tab toolbar could be
automatically hidden when only one document is open. Phil, I find it hard to
imagine what vertical tabs would look like but it seems like an interesting
concept. However, it might be a hard sell since users are already so
familiar with tabbed browsing, it makes sense to remain consistent with
them. I'm very interested in your side by side documents suggestion. I can
imagine a little "pin" button on a tab which opens a different tab along
side the pinned document, while any changes in tab selection would change
the opened document in the new space leaving the pinned document open until
it is unpinned. I'm going to work on a few mockups for this I think...


On 11 June 2011 12:13, Christopher Stark<>  wrote:


my suggestion would be to have the tabs horizontally but in a toolbar
that can  be activated or deactivated. If it is deactivated then other
or new documents appear in new windows, if it is activated in tabs.


Am 11.06.2011 06:53, schrieb Cyril Arnaud:
I'm personally not so sure about the vertical tabs.
If the tabs are similar to the one you can use on chromium for instance,
save more screen realestate than with a vertical bar.
Using tab should be very discreet since it's not necessary for your
in one doc, but could increase your efficiency when you work on several
documents at the same time.

-- Cyril Arnaud
On Jun 11, 2011 12:13 AM, "planas"<>  wrote:
Hi Phil and Patrick

On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 09:54 +1200, Phil Jackson wrote:

Hi Patrick

This could work also if there was an option for vertical tabs to the
left. Certainly it is important for Writer to maximise vertical space
for document display and some users (including me) would like to see
this idea as an option on the left or right.

It could be part of another toolbar with a maximum list of 3-5 items
that could be scrollable, on top of a list of other tools.

I think that having a single click of keyboard command that switches
between documents is essential - I'm sure I am not in the minority in
sometimes wanting to be able to switch quickly between two different
documents either for comparison purposes or to copy and paste between
It also therefore raises an interesting new idea which might be beyond
the scope of this suite - have a mode where you can display two
different documents side-by-side, each with its own vertical scroll
bars, displayed in slightly shrunk fonts with the ability to copy and
paste directly between the two. Obviously you can change the screen
of two different sessions of Write and achieve the same but this takes
little time and you still get unnecessary duplication of menus. On
wide screens this would be very useful occasionally and again
that would give it another point of difference.

This idea could be used for Calc.


Phil Jackson

On 6/11/2011 8:55 AM, Patrick Scott wrote:
Hi all.

What do people think about tabbed documents a la Lotus Symphony. I
have much use for it myself but I keep seeing the suggestion pop up
comments on forums and articles etc so it's seems like it might be an
important feature for some [and another means of differentiating
from OO and MS Office]. I've looked a few pages back through the
and couldn't see any mention of it and since I've only been on this
list for
a couple of days I thought I'd just ask if it was on the radar for

Tabbed Documents in Lotus Symphony:

The side by side view would be very useful in Writer and Calc. Also,
Phil I think you correct about the placement on the side.

Jay Lozier

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