Re: [libreoffice-design] Ribbons and Background Color UX

Am 23.05.2011 22:42, schrieb jlopez777:
> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 4:01 AM, Sveinn í Felli <sveinki@nett.is> wrote:
>
> > Þann mán 23.maí 2011 02:49, skrifaði jlopez777:
> >
> >  Hello all,
> > > Is it the general consensus that ribbons are not needed or not a priority?
> > > Or background colors for writer and impress (both slide background and
> > > slide
> > > overview section background which is white). Just wondering how this could
> > > progress...if not the other things I mentioned earlier, then at least the
> > > ribbons. Thank you.
> > >
> > > JL
> > From lurking on diverse mailing-lists I've understood that 'ribbons (TM)'
> > are not the main target - actually some of LO/OOo users are
> > ribbon-transfuges that didn't really appreciate this unilateral design
> > desicion (and who may care a lot about their screen-real-estate).
> I guess 2 questions should be asked here.
>
> 1. Who are the target audience for LO?
> 2. What do they want (proven with verifiable data)?
>
> If we are trying to expand our user base (which I would assume we would)
> then my hypothesis would be to adapt to those users.
Why should this be the goal? I think a good product is more important
than "world domination". Especially companies value productivity. If the
productivity of LibreOffice is higher without ribbons why shouldn't they
choose LO over M$-Office.

>  Another assumption is
> that these new users like ribbons more  since that is what they are being
> introduced to (especially next generation of office software users).
Ok so LibreOffice should orient its development on the PR-strategists of
Microsoft? I don't think so.
Just because some users are mislead by an unproductive GUI it doesn't
mean that these users are happy and that it is the right gui-strategy.
LibreOffice should do what is most reasonable and not what is most
marketable!

>  The
> challenge would be how do we working towards new users who might prefer
> Ribbon, or ribbon like style, without losing those who do not, which I
> assume are more of well informed and knowledgeable computer user and more
> concerned about functionality than design/eye candy which I see you address
> below.
Who says that ribbons are going to be the industry-standard in the
future? I hope LO doesn't just clone strategies of companies without
questioning and rethinking everything.
> > Meanwhile I've seen talks on LibreOffice lists about having an interactive
> > properties-panel, preferably a vertical sidebar one.
> > The two could be IMHO basicly the same thing, one a lateral panel, and the
> > other a sort of toolbar on steroids.
> >
> > If implemented in a true FOSS-way, the properties-panel would be
> > customisable, dockable and placeable where ever you like - including in a
> > ribbonesque position.
> I like this since it can get the best of both worlds (not perfectly the best
> of both worlds) but giving a good balance between utility and design. 
Hm I don't see that a ribbon-GUI looks nicer than a non-ribbon-GUI in
general. There are also other possibilities to make the program look nicer.

> Its
> not that I don't agree with the idea "the less clicks the better", its just
> I believe that if Ribbons aren't the way to go, we still could do a better
> job in design layout.
Right.
> > Just thoughts,
> >
> > Sveinn í Felli

Best regards
Christopher
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