Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposition to combine the Apply/Reset buttons

Thanks for your feedback on this, Astron.  I'll try to address the 
issues that you pointed out.

Em -10-01--28163 16:59, Astron escreveu:
> Additionally, global undo/redo should work. Adding a dedicated 
> [Revert] button to the dialog also wouldn't make much sense (at least 
> to me -- if you anyone can explain its function well, it would be 
> added to the proposal again), because users would not learn that 
> global undo/redo works, and thus would find themselves limited to 
> undoing single changes.
For comparison, in Gimp [Revert] button is very useful. Sometimes you 
change an image so many times back and forth from inside a dialog that 
you end up saying: "oh, fuck, I screwed it up; where was I in the 
beginning?", so you hit [Revert] and smile. Here we have also many 
options, so it's much the same. You hit [Revert] once instead of Re-Do a 
lot of times (which might lead to forgetting one step or reverting one 
step further than what you intended to).
As for users learning that global undo/redo works, I guess this would 
not be a problem since the dialog wouldn't be modal (if I got the 
'modal' concept correctly): the document window would stay responsive 
and you would assume every function there would still work.

> > >  Plus, I strongly believe we should have 'Automaticaly update this style when
> > >  formatting is changed directly' right in the formatting or main toolbar, in
> > >  addition to being able to set it in the Style dialog.
> Great idea, I think. But: I'm unsure how to do this without confusing
> users who haven't learned that function yet. I think a problem would
> be properly coupling that symbol/checkbox with the style selector. It
> would also be an additional proposal that belongs to neither the
> button proposal nor the redesign of the Paragraph Style dialog. Maybe
> you want to add this to the Whiteboard?
>
> > >  'Auto-update' option in the dialog). Of course the phrasing could be better
> > >  (this will be a though one) but the gains would be enormous.
> Yes, that's the second problem with your proposal: how do you create
> an icon/phrasing for this function?
You're absolutely right on this. I won't have time to work on it until 
the weekend, but I'll try to learn my way through the wiki and sketching 
-- I guess an image is a must when you're talking design ;-) Plus I'll 
try to come up with something incredibly smart on the icon/phrasing, so 
someone can pick up from my failure :-)

Cheers,
Rafael./

PS.: Ah, I forgot this: if the [style defines:] list is manageable (IMO 
one of the strongest sides on your very good proposal) we would then 
have up to 4 ways to undo our style definitions: the list itself, the 
undo/redo, the [revert] if we stick to it and the [standard]. Just 
counting so we have another point on keeping or dismissing the [revert] 
button. And we should also think if we want both [revert] and [apply] 
buttons, and I do think we want to have [apply] -- someone else (maybe 
Octavio and Christoph) spoke for this already so I won't do it here.

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