Re: Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-design] Design task: LibreOffice Motif

Hi Nik, all,

Nik schrieb:
> Resending (below), original didn't get through
> -Nik
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> [...]
> HI all,
>
> Sorry for the delay in responding...
> Thanks heaps to everyone who has been helping!
>
>
> On 3/25/2011 7:20 AM, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
> > Hi Sveinn, Nik, all,
> >
> > Sveinn í Felli schrieb:
> > > Ungrouped all objects:
> > > <http://www.nett.is/~sveinki/libreoffice/Scatter-ungrouped-I.svg>
> > > Inkscape SVG
> > > <http://www.nett.is/~sveinki/libreoffice/Scatter-ungrouped-P.svg>
> > > Plain SVG
> >
> > Thanks, this keeps the triangles as vectors.
> >
> > What I found out is:
> >
> > The single triangles have a fixed opacity set instead of using the
> > alpha channel of the gradient definition.
> >
> > This is certainly a bug - probably when exporting the file to SVG.
> >
> > If there is no other possibility to turn the .psd file in SVG (I used
> > an online converter, leading to a 300MB large file that failed to load
> > in Inkscape), the only way to solve this properly would be to get the
> > gradient definition for each triangle from CS5 and add them manually
> > to the Inkscape triangle gradients. Together with correcting the
> > opacity of the objects this would mean to do three corrections on 56
> > triangles - probably about half an hour of stupid work, but manageable.
> Hopefully it won't need to come to this =)
> > I don't own a CS5 copy, so I can't do this.
> >
> > Anybody able to help out (or do just a part of it?)
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Bernhard
>
> I've updated the download section of the Motif page
> (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Motif).
>
> So the story seems to be this;
> - Inkscape users aren't encountering any problem with the alpha in the
> SVG file (as demonstrated by Hillar, Rob and Sveinn)

This might be true, if you didn't add an opacity gradient to the triangles.

If the plain opacity corresponds with the alpha values you added to the 
triangles (and it doesn't seem so when I look at your bitmap), I don't 
think there will be an issue.

I compared the bitmap you uploaded to the wiki with Sveinn's svg:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:MotivScatter_comparison.png

There are small differences in opacity and color, but they seem to be 
neglectable in my eyes.

There might be an issue when the file is exported from Inkscape to EPS - 
don't know if opacity is recalculated or just exported to flat colors.

But for the moment we might stay with the files we have.

Best regards

Bernhard

> [...]
> The whole point of making the motif was so we could start using it (like
> Drew has started on another thread).
>
> Sooooo let's get busy making Design material with them! =D
> Whaddaya say?

Yes, please!

> PS. I've written up some "guidelines" on the wiki page for the use of
> the motif that I'll back up with example-images as I get time.
> Let me know what you think ... Are they realistic? helpful? clear?
I would restrict rescaling to vector versions (if possible, of course).

I'd ask to be even more restrictive (with less exceptions):

Warping / distorting should be avoided at all

For recoloring a posting to the mailing list should be recommended.

I can imagine reasonable examples for modified colors, but these should 
be integrated in our general visual language.

Apart from that, they are realistic, helpful and clear :-)

Best regards

Bernhard

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