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I like your mok-up very much! My proposal was a starting point, and
you took it to a higher level! Thanks!

Yesterday came to my mind another idea about the navigator, this time
a new feature. Right now, you can drag-n-drop elements from the
navigator to the document in order to create copies or to insert
hyperlinks. Now, suppose that under the "Drag mode" menu you find an
option called "As cross reference": using it, when you drag-n-drop a
heading from the navigator a short menu appears showing some options
to insert cross-references. Something like:

Insert
-----------------------
Chapter name
Chapter number
Page number
Before/After

What do you think?
Cheers
Ricardo

2011/3/20 Christoph Noack <christoph@dogmatux.com>:
Hi all!

Ricardo, cool that you bring fresh ideas ... maybe we can turn some of
them in EasyHacks ideas - that would be great!

Am Samstag, den 19.03.2011, 19:15 +0100 schrieb RGB ES:
2011/3/19 Irmhild Rogalla <irmhild.rogalla@institut-pi.de>:
good idea.
I know and use the navigator, because I used go-OO for a long time, it's
very useful.
I like your improvement, but for me it seems to be better, if the levels
have the same (small) font size. Because my experience is, that in most
times, I used the navigator, there are really a lot of levels and so I need
(all) the place for the headings.
Furthermore: In most technical and science documents special heading
numbering is used (like 1. - 1.1 - 1.1.1 - 1.1.1.1 and so on) so the levels
are easy to distinguish without different formatting styles.

Good point! In an ideal situation this should be configurable, though:
for my part I like the formatting more, specially for those situation
on which numbering is not used ;)

It looks good at the first sight, because it addresses some shortcomings
that have been introduced within LibreOffice. But now I wonder ...

Besides all the improvements, what might happen with the concept:
     * The "double triangles" add a lot complexity (visually and
       functionality wise). And - in context next to the current
       heading they will work well - these triangles are new to users
       and duplicated for each of the headings. --> proposal below
     * Providing more visual clues:
             * The "lines" work well for a few entries, but will add a
               lot visual noise for many entries. The idea for better
               grouping is great, but maybe we can look at what others
               did (e.g. Microsoft grealty reworked the tree view for
               Windows Vista / 7). --> proposal: less lines (or lines
               only shown when the mouse hovers the Navigator), and
               more space between the entries
             * The "formatted entries" will work well in the Navigator,
               but they add another layer of inconsistency. Now we have
               simple lists of headings when using "cross-references",
               the formatting entries in the document text, and
               different formatting for the Navigator entries. -->
               proposal: use space instead of formatting
     * Making it configurable --> more complexity (although not needed)
     * I still a feature to tell the user where he currently is. That
       was always a bit difficult, because there is a difference
       between "select" an item (to apply a Navigator function), and to
       "highlight" an item that shows the current cursor position.

From my point-of-view, the first step should be to resolve the issues
due to the combination of the "old" OOo functionality and the new
LibreOffice functionality.

Example1 : You can limit the shown heading levels to 5, although there
are 8 in the document. This will also restrict the presence of the
collapse/expand triangles for level 5? The user won't be able to see the
Why?

Example 2: If the user sets the "show all heading levels until 10", then
they won't appear - only the collapse/expand items will be shown. The
user now can manually open the levels ... grrrrr :-)

So, the "Show heading levels" dropdown "filter" should be converted into
a command list. So if the user sets "5", then all the headings until
level 5 should be expanded. All further levels will still be expandable
by the user. If the user sets "1", then all headings are collapsed but
the main headings. Still, the user may expand them manually - there is
no hidden pre-filtering.

Concerning the visibility of the heading level and the document
position, I've made a quick mockup how this might look like - although
it differs a bit from each of the used platforms. Still missing:
mouseover effects and the like.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/JrW3M6h7wW5Mn2BP56UqMA?feat=directlink


By the way, some years ago, I've collected some ideas how a Navigator
might look like with an improved Notes/Comments view:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:Notes2_OtherIdeas_ManageNotes_Mockup_Navigator.png

Ricardo, I hope this still addresses the issues you've mentioned - from
my point-of-view it might behave a bit better and resolve other issues
as well. What do you think?

Cheers,
Christoph


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