Re: [libreoffice-design] About the Navigator

I like your mok-up very much! My proposal was a starting point, and
you took it to a higher level! Thanks!

Yesterday came to my mind another idea about the navigator, this time
a new feature. Right now, you can drag-n-drop elements from the
navigator to the document in order to create copies or to insert
hyperlinks. Now, suppose that under the "Drag mode" menu you find an
option called "As cross reference": using it, when you drag-n-drop a
heading from the navigator a short menu appears showing some options
to insert cross-references. Something like:

Insert
-----------------------
Chapter name
Chapter number
Page number
Before/After

What do you think?
Cheers
Ricardo

2011/3/20 Christoph Noack <christoph@dogmatux.com>:
> Hi all!
>
> Ricardo, cool that you bring fresh ideas ... maybe we can turn some of
> them in EasyHacks ideas - that would be great!
>
> Am Samstag, den 19.03.2011, 19:15 +0100 schrieb RGB ES:
> > 2011/3/19 Irmhild Rogalla <irmhild.rogalla@institut-pi.de>:
> > > good idea.
> > > I know and use the navigator, because I used go-OO for a long time, it's
> > > very useful.
> > > I like your improvement, but for me it seems to be better, if the levels
> > > have the same (small) font size. Because my experience is, that in most
> > > times, I used the navigator, there are really a lot of levels and so I need
> > > (all) the place for the headings.
> > > Furthermore: In most technical and science documents special heading
> > > numbering is used (like 1. - 1.1 - 1.1.1 - 1.1.1.1 and so on) so the levels
> > > are easy to distinguish without different formatting styles.
> > Good point! In an ideal situation this should be configurable, though:
> > for my part I like the formatting more, specially for those situation
> > on which numbering is not used ;)
>
> It looks good at the first sight, because it addresses some shortcomings
> that have been introduced within LibreOffice. But now I wonder ...
>
> Besides all the improvements, what might happen with the concept:
>      * The "double triangles" add a lot complexity (visually and
>        functionality wise). And - in context next to the current
>        heading they will work well - these triangles are new to users
>        and duplicated for each of the headings. --> proposal below
>      * Providing more visual clues:
>              * The "lines" work well for a few entries, but will add a
>                lot visual noise for many entries. The idea for better
>                grouping is great, but maybe we can look at what others
>                did (e.g. Microsoft grealty reworked the tree view for
>                Windows Vista / 7). --> proposal: less lines (or lines
>                only shown when the mouse hovers the Navigator), and
>                more space between the entries
>              * The "formatted entries" will work well in the Navigator,
>                but they add another layer of inconsistency. Now we have
>                simple lists of headings when using "cross-references",
>                the formatting entries in the document text, and
>                different formatting for the Navigator entries. -->
>                proposal: use space instead of formatting
>      * Making it configurable --> more complexity (although not needed)
>      * I still a feature to tell the user where he currently is. That
>        was always a bit difficult, because there is a difference
>        between "select" an item (to apply a Navigator function), and to
>        "highlight" an item that shows the current cursor position.
>
> > From my point-of-view, the first step should be to resolve the issues
> due to the combination of the "old" OOo functionality and the new
> LibreOffice functionality.
>
> Example1 : You can limit the shown heading levels to 5, although there
> are 8 in the document. This will also restrict the presence of the
> collapse/expand triangles for level 5? The user won't be able to see the
> Why?
>
> Example 2: If the user sets the "show all heading levels until 10", then
> they won't appear - only the collapse/expand items will be shown. The
> user now can manually open the levels ... grrrrr :-)
>
> So, the "Show heading levels" dropdown "filter" should be converted into
> a command list. So if the user sets "5", then all the headings until
> level 5 should be expanded. All further levels will still be expandable
> by the user. If the user sets "1", then all headings are collapsed but
> the main headings. Still, the user may expand them manually - there is
> no hidden pre-filtering.
>
> Concerning the visibility of the heading level and the document
> position, I've made a quick mockup how this might look like - although
> it differs a bit from each of the used platforms. Still missing:
> mouseover effects and the like.
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/JrW3M6h7wW5Mn2BP56UqMA?feat=directlink
>
>
> By the way, some years ago, I've collected some ideas how a Navigator
> might look like with an improved Notes/Comments view:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:Notes2_OtherIdeas_ManageNotes_Mockup_Navigator.png
>
> Ricardo, I hope this still addresses the issues you've mentioned - from
> my point-of-view it might behave a bit better and resolve other issues
> as well. What do you think?
>
> Cheers,
> Christoph
>
>
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