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Hi all!

Ricardo, cool that you bring fresh ideas ... maybe we can turn some of
them in EasyHacks ideas - that would be great!

Am Samstag, den 19.03.2011, 19:15 +0100 schrieb RGB ES:
2011/3/19 Irmhild Rogalla <>:
good idea.
I know and use the navigator, because I used go-OO for a long time, it's
very useful.
I like your improvement, but for me it seems to be better, if the levels
have the same (small) font size. Because my experience is, that in most
times, I used the navigator, there are really a lot of levels and so I need
(all) the place for the headings.
Furthermore: In most technical and science documents special heading
numbering is used (like 1. - 1.1 - 1.1.1 - and so on) so the levels
are easy to distinguish without different formatting styles.

Good point! In an ideal situation this should be configurable, though:
for my part I like the formatting more, specially for those situation
on which numbering is not used ;)

It looks good at the first sight, because it addresses some shortcomings
that have been introduced within LibreOffice. But now I wonder ...

Besides all the improvements, what might happen with the concept:
      * The "double triangles" add a lot complexity (visually and
        functionality wise). And - in context next to the current
        heading they will work well - these triangles are new to users
        and duplicated for each of the headings. --> proposal below
      * Providing more visual clues:
              * The "lines" work well for a few entries, but will add a
                lot visual noise for many entries. The idea for better
                grouping is great, but maybe we can look at what others
                did (e.g. Microsoft grealty reworked the tree view for
                Windows Vista / 7). --> proposal: less lines (or lines
                only shown when the mouse hovers the Navigator), and
                more space between the entries
              * The "formatted entries" will work well in the Navigator,
                but they add another layer of inconsistency. Now we have
                simple lists of headings when using "cross-references",
                the formatting entries in the document text, and
                different formatting for the Navigator entries. -->
                proposal: use space instead of formatting
      * Making it configurable --> more complexity (although not needed)
      * I still a feature to tell the user where he currently is. That
        was always a bit difficult, because there is a difference
        between "select" an item (to apply a Navigator function), and to
        "highlight" an item that shows the current cursor position.

From my point-of-view, the first step should be to resolve the issues
due to the combination of the "old" OOo functionality and the new
LibreOffice functionality.

Example1 : You can limit the shown heading levels to 5, although there
are 8 in the document. This will also restrict the presence of the
collapse/expand triangles for level 5? The user won't be able to see the

Example 2: If the user sets the "show all heading levels until 10", then
they won't appear - only the collapse/expand items will be shown. The
user now can manually open the levels ... grrrrr :-)

So, the "Show heading levels" dropdown "filter" should be converted into
a command list. So if the user sets "5", then all the headings until
level 5 should be expanded. All further levels will still be expandable
by the user. If the user sets "1", then all headings are collapsed but
the main headings. Still, the user may expand them manually - there is
no hidden pre-filtering.

Concerning the visibility of the heading level and the document
position, I've made a quick mockup how this might look like - although
it differs a bit from each of the used platforms. Still missing:
mouseover effects and the like.

By the way, some years ago, I've collected some ideas how a Navigator
might look like with an improved Notes/Comments view:

Ricardo, I hope this still addresses the issues you've mentioned - from
my point-of-view it might behave a bit better and resolve other issues
as well. What do you think?


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