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Hi Tobias!

A quick reply ...

Am Mittwoch, den 09.02.2011, 19:33 +0100 schrieb Tobias Bernard:

colored border:
i think that the chosen colors for draw and impress simply don't look
good. the problem with yellow and orange ist, that, if the color is
light, there's not enough contrast on light backgrounds. so, for
generally appliable icons a dark border is needed. but since some
colors, when made dark look weird, maybe a general border is the best
way to go.

We discussed that some time ago, but we came to the conclusion that
colored icons will work. Especially, since we have to keep in mind that
we have quite some icons that need proper differentiation.

that's why i think a black border for all icons would be best.
if that's not possible, i would at least change the colors for draw and
impress a bit.

Okay, proposals are welcome of course. But at the moment, I feel bound
to these colors, since they are defined within our branding guidelines
and are re-used in several places. The colors have been developed in
several iterations, so I think we are close to a good result.

in my opinion, too complex symbols should be avoided, even for the big
icons. i'm thinking of a "logo" for any application, a monochromatic
symbol that can be used for both small and big icons.
this would make the symbols more recognizable.
just as an example for such icons:

Well, that was one of the starting points - Bernhard was (of course)
part of the icon activity, and (I hope it's okay to say that) he also
drive the symbolism / methaphor discussion.

And again, we have to keep in mind that there are several human
interface guidelines (e.g. Windows, Mac OS X) that require different
icons. And our current style even comes not close to their requirements
- they would require even more detail and color. So please consider also
external requirements ...

so, i'll maybe make a suggestion for the icons within the next days.
we'll see;)

yes, i'm intersted to join the design team, but i've yet not read
everything about it in the wiki^^
maybe in the next few days...

Okay, that would be great. Maybe then it's easier to understand what
we've done so far - here is the link to the icon summary:

And to also answer the question in your other mail - the currently valid
color palette for the icons and other marketing material can be found
here (including palettes for Inkscape and The Gimp, see resources):


Kind regards,

Am Dienstag, den 08.02.2011, 22:15 +0100 schrieb Christoph Noack: 

Hi Tobias!

Am Dienstag, den 08.02.2011, 16:37 +0100 schrieb Tobias Bernard:

first of all, i'd like to say that i love libreoffice and would like to
help you guys in some way.

Great! And we love people who like to help us ;-)

these days, i've read that the new libreoffice icons are going to look
like this:

More or less, since these show only the huge icons - that are only used
in special cases (e.g. Mac OS X dock, Windows XP Preview, Windows 7).

i don't know if the icons will remain that way, but personally, i don't
like how they are now. In my opinion, the main problems are:
- the colored border: it's fine for blue and green, but yellow and
orange look really bad

Mmh, in what way - are they less distinctive, or do you think the chosen
color looks weird, or reminds of something?

- the pictograms inside the sheets: too comlex, too many colors that
don't go with the border color

That depends on the complexity. According to the wiki page, we decided
"Note: Basic symbolism will be used for 16px and (partly) 32 px icons.
If the icons are larger, then decoration elements can be added to make
them more pleasing."

For example:
      * Calc: Shows a diagram that is re-used for the Chart icon to show
        the diagram in full size. The colors adapt the (currently used)
        Sun Branding colors from within the chart dialog. I adapted them
        to use the LibreOffice branding palette. That means, that the
        colors are consistent to both the object, and the behavior
        within LibreOffice.
      * Draw: The green handle grips mimic the ones in Draw - also

If you look at the smaller icons, there is less detail. Here is an
(outdated) example:

so, my major suggestions are:
- leave the border black/grey for all the icons

We decided to go for the color, to better distinguish the main
applications from the important applications. I think, initially we had
the black/gray.

By the way, we also decided (as the wiki page states, implicitly) to
re-use "our" document symbol for marketing reasons - instead of using a
standard document. Once LibreOffice and TDF is more known, we may roll
back to more default icons.

- choose some simple, monochromatic pictograms for the single programs

See above please, the smaller icons work that way.

- maybe color the inner part of the sheet, instead of the border

:-) I initially did that, and Nik proposed to change that, to better
mimic the idea of real paper pages for the document icons (currently
document icons and applications icons are the same). The team decided to
go that way ...

Here is an old version with color:

i did these faenza-inspired libreoffice icons, because i didn't like to
see the openoffice faenza icons on my gnome-desktop. When you see them,
you'll have an idea of what I mean.

Cool, thanks for sharing. But here we have to somehow consider the
guidelines of the other platforms as well. I think the current approach
fits somehow (even if not perfectly) on most of the platforms. What do
the others think? Personally, I'm currently perfectly happy with what
we've achieved so far and would like to address the many other work
items still left untouched ... maybe you can jump in here as well?

if that's possible, I'd like to help improving the icons, which i think
don't have yet the style they deserve.

Help is always appreciated, but as I said, I'm fine with the current
ones for the next few releases of LibreOffice. But if you want to
improve them, I propose to touch only a few ... that helps us to discuss
that within the team.

But - maybe this might be even better - I'd like you to have a look at
the general Design Team stuff. We are currently kicking of our team, so
you might be interested - are you? Here is some starting point:

i work with inkscape and gimp on ubuntu maverick.

Great, at least these are my favorite FLOSS tools as well.

tobias bernard

Tobias, did that help somehow? Do you like to know more? Do the others
want to share their thoughts?


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