Re: [libreoffice-design] 3 problems

Hi James,


On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:54 AM, James A. Schulz <jaschulz@wiseware.com>wrote:

> Christoph,
>
> No, I don't see anything in the "new features" that addresses the problems
> I
> listed.  Let me try again:
>
> 1.  The "ghost" icons I described in my original post can be see at:
> http://www.wiseware.com/LibreOffice/GhostIcons.jpg
The picture is helpful.  My PC is dead at the moment but I tried to find the
same issues with the Mac version of LibO.  Unfortunately, I can't duplicate
that problem.  Additionally, I can't even find those icons in the standard
toolbar icon set.  Three questions:
1) Do you have any Macros installed?
2) Do you have custom toolbars?
3) What commands are the buttons associated with? (Go to
toolbars-customize...)



> 2.  Create a new text document, type something, save it.  No press the
> ALT-F(ile) key combination.  Notice that the "Save" item on the File Menu
> is
> disabled.  This means that if you are a user habituated to ALT-F-S, you end
> up "stuck" in the File Menu and you have to press ESC to return to your
> document.  (Yes, I know that users habituated to CTRL-S don't have this
> problem, but that's not the point.)  Why penalize users by requiring this
> extra key-stroke just because they tried to save the current document when
> it didn't need saving.  Don't we want to encourage even such
> over-conscientious users to save whenever they happen to think of it.  Real
> writing is an on-again-off-again sort of thing.  One spends a good deal of
> time just staring at whatever paragraph happens to be on the screen at the
> moment.  So the phone right, and you come out of that chance and before you
> answer the call, you press ALF-F-S just in case you hadn't thought to save
> before you went into your trance.  And when you do that (i.e. press
> ALT-F-S)
> you end up stuck in the menu (and you are annoyed).  MS Word does not do
> this.  WordPerfect never did it.  Why must writer do it.  The right thing
> is
> never to disable the "Save" item.  The system can avoid wasting its time by
> simply ignoring the unnecessary save command without "punishing" the user
> for issuing it.
I believe the reason LibO disables save is to provide a means of feedback to
the user that indeed their document is saved.  I agree that it is unfair
that the users that use ALT-F-S get "stuck" when they go to save since the
command is disabled when a document is saved.



> 3.  Open a new writer document.  Notice that the window has the usual "X"
> window close button, but below that, in an otherwise empty bar that runs
> across the screen, there is another, smaller "x' that closes only the
> document.  Now open a second document.  In this new window, there is only
> the "X" window close button (i.e. the document close button is not where to
> be seen).  True, using the window close button in this second window
> returns
> you to the first document, but why show this inconsistent interface, i.e.
> why not make all document windows identical?.  Of course, if LO would
> switch
> to (in my opinion) the vastly preferable Multiple Document Interface, that
> redesign would likely solve this problem.
Once again with my PC on the fritz I cannot duplicate this issue.  I believe
I understand what you are talking about though.  I agree that there should
be consistency:
1) No documents have "close" buttons
2) All documents have "close" buttons

Hopefully someone with a PC can duplicate the toolbar problem but please in
the interim let me know what those buttons are.

Cheers,
Jaron



>

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