Re: Nvda list, was: Fw: RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with my JRE

Hi :)
A quick search of the Nvda web-site shows they don't list Libre Office yet.  They still only have 
Open Office and they call it OpenOffice.org although it's recently become AOO = Apache OpenOffice.  

Can someone on their lists ask them to update?  Perhaps give them this link to the relevant page on 
LO's wiki?
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Accessibility
I think their advice for Open Office is equally relevant to LibreOffice so perhaps make it 1 
section called something like
"Apache's OpenOffice and TDF's LibreOffice"
They have a line about recommending people use IBM's Lotus Symphony which is no longer available 
afaik and the code is not in AOO just yet.  It might take quite a long time to appear.  

They say there is a problem reading OOo's read-only documents.  Is that still a problem?  Are LO's 
difficult to read too?
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
The documentation team started to put a lot of work into trying to make them easier but they may 
have forgotten or got side-tracked.  

Also Nvda's own guide only seems to be available in html format.  Would they like help from LO's 
team to get it into a nice Pdf and/or Odt format?  Perhaps help with getting them available as 
printed books through Lulu?  The docs team generated a little cash that way but more importantly 
got their guides out to a wider audience.  I wonder if Lulu could print in braille?  Does anyone 
here translate LO or OO's guides into braille?  If so which languages?  

Wow!  Lots more questions!
Regards from
Tom :)  


--- On Mon, 8/10/12, Kevin Cussick <the.big.white.shepherd@googlemail.com> wrote:

From: Kevin Cussick <the.big.white.shepherd@googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: Nvda list, was: Fw: RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with 
my JRE
To: "Tom Davies" <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday, 8 October, 2012, 12:25

Hello,

Here is the page where you can subscribe to a few e-mail lists for nvda 
including support hope this is what your looking for. 
http://www.nvda-project.org/wiki/Support

On 08/10/2012 11:44, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> How do you join the Nvda list?  Where is it?
>
> Would it be a good idea to create a wiki-page to introduce people to accessibility issue related 
> to LO (and perhaps wider?).  The documentation mailing list has a ton of wiki-pages about all 
> sorts of things to help them keep track of different things and to help people join in with what 
> they are doing.  The java-bridge page seems reasonably popular already even though it's not 
> widely known about.  Would it be useful to have an accessibility wiki-page that links to various 
> external in internal sources?
>
> I could set-up a page if that would help but you guys & ladies might have to add useful content.  
> Pretty much anything you have found useful might be useful to other people however trivial or 
> obvious it might have seemed to you.  Also i don't quite understand how to get a 
> table-of-contents onto wiki-pages here.  Perhaps this address would be good?
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Accessibility
>
> Ooops, lol!  The page already exists but it seems you have a lot to add including the link to the 
> java-bridge page and it might be good to add a link to that page from somewhere sensible on the 
> main home-page
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Main_Page
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> --- On Mon, 8/10/12, V Stuart Foote <VStuart.Foote@utsa.edu> wrote:
>
> From: V Stuart Foote <VStuart.Foote@utsa.edu>
> Subject: RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with my JRE
> To: "Kevin Cussick" <the.big.white.shepherd@googlemail.com>, accessibility@global.libreoffice.org
> Date: Monday, 8 October, 2012, 2:05
>
> Kevin,
>
> Golly. I hate to keep harping on this.  And I know it must seem like we are asking you to jump 
> through hoops.
>
> But as Tom notes the effort is to clear it everything off and start clean from a known state. In 
> your latest attempt you've ended up non-functional.
>
> To have a correct outcome, the install order IS important. LibreOffice gets install LAST.
>
> Remove in this order:
>
>     1.   LibreOffice
>      2.  NVDA
>      3.  Java Access Bridge
>      4.  Java Runtime Environment
>
> Install in this order
>
>       1. Java Runtime Environment
>       2. Java Access Bridge
>       3. NVDA
>       4. LibreOffice
>
> But note this:  with JRE 1.7u7, the Java Access Bridge v2.0.3 is installed automatically and just 
> needs to be enabled with a "jabswitch.exe /enable" command.   Only for JRE 1.6 do you still need 
> to use the JWin utility to install and configure Java Access Bridge v2.0.2.
>
> In other words you should no longer use the JWin program with JRE 1.7 greater than update 6. 
> Rather, simply enable the built in Java Access Bridge and then install NVDA and finally 
> LibreOffice.
>
> Also, during LibreOffice 3.6 installation, on the last page of Installation Wizard configuration 
> "Ready to Install the Program" there will be two check boxes 1) "Create a start link on desktop", 
> and 2) "Support assistive technology tools"  Check that box and then select the Install button.
>
> The assistive technology checkbox is off by default--and must be checked to enable assistive 
> technology in LibreOffice without navigating the Tools -> Options -> Accessibility and Tools -> 
> Options Java menus.
>
> Without the Accessibility "Support assistive technology tools" checked, NVDA will read the 
> outside frame elements of LibreOffice-but will not be able to read or navigate text within the 
> components.
>
> Stuart
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Kevin Cussick [mailto:the.big.white.shepherd@googlemail.com]
> Sent: Sun 10/7/2012 5:47 PM
> To: Tom Davies
> Cc: V Stuart Foote; Kevin Cussick; accessibility@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with my JRE
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> OK I uninstalled Lo, uninstalled the java7 TM update I think it was
> installed nvda I can't see anything that relates to access bridge,
> because the java7 just downloads it with window's anyway. rebooted the
> PC installed lo, installed the downloaded java.exe 32 bit it is version
> 7,rebooted the PC but before doing so checked that the java switch was
> checked it was, then reinstalled Nvda I used the portable version of
> nvda this dose not use anything that Java would be needing anyway. It's
> getting late so struggling to keep focused, anyway the result is that I
> did not get lo working oh nearly forgot after rebooting but before
> installing nvda again I downloaded the jwin program ran it and ran the
> have ferret.exe file as well, but as said nothing what now? thanks in
> advance but I am about to give up If I hear that anyone else has this
> latest stable version running with java7 and the access bridge then I am
> happy to take instruction on how to fix it, but if not I think I have
> reached the end of the road.
>
> I have a feeling it is a problem with lo and u as well as has been said
> on the Nvda list. but I hope to be proved wrong thanks for all your help
> all who have tried to help.

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