Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice "Fresh" not explained and inconsistent

Hello Tim, all,


Le 2014-03-11 15:25, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit :
> The new website design decided to change the things.  Wording included.
>
> "Fresh" now refers to the version that is not as "stable" as the
> current line you are using and is currently for the more "adventurous"
> users.  Right now your Mom is using the "current" 4.1.x line that is
> at 4.1.5.  The "Fresh" version/line is at 4.2.1 and is meant for those
> more adventurous early adopters, and not people like your Mom [most
> likely].

Well, that is your own judgement and perception. That is also the 
judgement of the person who started the thread -I'm fine with that- 
however:  Fresh is supposed to convey the meaning of new. Stable 
means... stable, but really stable.
But remember: both are stable anyway, otherwise they would not be 
released, and they would be called betas, or release candidates, etc.


> Yes, you know this, but I think we really need to find a better words
> to replace "Fresh" and "Stable".

There was a discussion on this on the marketing list. I really did not 
pull it out of my head....

>  Others may not and need to be given
> a "warning" that the newest version of the 4.2.x line is not for those
> users that do not like to be an "early adopter" or something like
> that.  Most "moms and dads" would not.

Again, that is your own perception. You define a type of user that may 
exist, but plenty of other people can enjoy the fresh version with no 
worries at all. Again, the fresh version is a stable but more recent 
version of the new branch. Or are you suggesting that Most "moms and 
dads" are using the Firefox ESR and not the most recent and stable 
version (the 27)?

>  I know mine would not.

Mine happily use the fresh one...

>  Most
> of the people who live in my apartment building would not either.
>
> In April 4.1.6 will be out and that will be the end of the 4.1.x line.
>  Then, when 4.2.x gets to 4.2.4, a lot of users switch over that that
> line.
>
> Personally, I would let you Mom know that she should update to 4.1.5.
> That is what I am currently using, both on Windows and Linux.
>
> As for the automatically forwarding to the "Fresh" page, other will
> need to look at that.

That was in the specs. And others will need to look at that : well we 
have always pushed the new branch first. Ever since the beginning of the 
project. And this is only following the line, so to speak. The moment 
I'll be told by the board to switch to the old branch as the default 
I'll do it, but that will be some major piece of news to me and many 
others.

  I am one of those people who think the download
> page system should not go to the "early adopter"

Tim: you call it the early adopter version. We don't. It is NOT an early 
adopter version. An early adopter version is the beta we are releasing, 
and the daily builds you can also download in the download section. On 
top of this, Libreoffice is an office suite. Not a brand new type of web 
service or a space shuttle. An early adopter of an office suite is 
someone living in the eighties or perhaps the nineties. Now we have 
users who have the need for ultra stable versions (like professionals) 
and people who can use the most recent, yet stable version. Early 
adopters is something we are constantly looking for as they help us test 
the suite before it becomes.... fresh.

> version of
> LibreOffice.  It currently should go to 4.1.5 and inform you that
> 4.2.1 exists and that is it for those who are more adventurous users
> who would like to be an "early adopter" of the new line.

Again, see my point above. That's your own perception and it goes 
against everything we do. Our most recent branch is not the unstable 
branch. It's not a beta version. It's a stable version that's stable 
enough to be released as such.


Best,

Charles.


 In a few
> months, the 4.3.x line will be started and then it will be for the
> early adopters, while the 4.2.x line will be at the "more stable"
> stage with versions 4.2.4 or 4.2.5 available  for download.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 03/11/2014 07:12 AM, Johannes Dewender wrote:
> > Hello LibreOffice Website Guys,
> >
> >
> > My mom got a notification in LibreOffice that an LibreOffice 4.1.5 is 
> > available (she had 4.1.3 or similar). The only choice was a manual 
> > update which opened the browser at
> > http://www.libreoffice.org/download/
> > which automatically forwarded to
> > http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/
> > And there was a "LibreOffice Fresh" 4.2.1 available.
> >
> > So two confusions arose:
> > 1. What the Heck is "LibreOffice Fresh"?
> > 2. Why are (normal) users advised to go for 4.1.5, but the website 
> > redirects to 4.2.1?
> >
> >
> > To be precise on the Naming/Explaining inconsistency:
> >
> > I could not find "LibreOffice Fresh" explained anywhere. The string 
> > just appears. Not even one sentence what this is about.
> > https://www.libreoffice.org/download/release-notes/ introduces 4.2.* 
> > but also no mentioning of "Fresh".
> >
> > Additionally the usage of that "string" isn't even at all consistent:
> >
> > At
> > http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/
> > on the bottom I see 4.1.5 *and* 4.2.1 listed as "stable".
> >
> > Under
> > http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/?type=rpm-x86_64&version=4.1.5&lang=en-US 
> > you do get 4.1.5 under the "LibreOffice Fresh" label.
> >
> >
> > Anyways, the idea to have an early adopters version labeled 
> > "LibreOffice Fresh" is fine, but that needs to be communicated!
> > Yes, some users wouldn't care if it says "LibreOffice Trojan Edition" 
> > and install it anyways, but others actually do read what it says and 
> > get more and more confused the more they try to find out what this 
> > means.
> >
> >
> > Greetings
> > JonnyJD

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