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Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2011-03-07 17.18:

Oh, nothing that cannot be solved..

let's see. :-)

No - why would you need backups for this? - It is not a file storage,

Because we legally have to, unless people *BEFORE* using the service agree to different terms and policies. The question whether someone will actually hold us liable is a different one, but legally, we have to.

it is explicitly temporary, for convenience of communicating. Add a
statement "the attachments can be deleted anytime..." The initial

That statement would have to be visible and agreed upon *BEFORE* using the service, just like any terms of service have to.

proposal included an explicit expiry period, but you could also have
it by disk-quota or whatever.

A different example: If a freemailer deletes e-mails of their customers after 30 days of inactivity, they can even be faced with criminal charges unless it's explicitly agreed upon *BEFORE* the use in the terms of service.

We already store the plaintext mails, that can contain illegal stuff as well.

Yes, agreed.

What if someone paste's HarryPotter into the mails and sends it off to the list?

Agreed as well. However, the abuse possibilities for such a service are much higher. Imagine someone uploading porn.

But for other filetypes the choices where you can upload stuff without
the burden of having to endure either a countdown before you can
download/use the file or have tons of advertisement banners are
basically non-existent, are they?

I see this is a problem, indeed. The wiki could be used, as it has a higher barrier for abuse (registering, confirming, IP stored), but then the wiki would be cluttered with old files nobody purges.

What if someone complains that you make his/her email and personal
details sent in a mail public?

That's a similar risk, indeed.

I don't see it that pessimistic.

Just to be precisely clear here:
We can start such a service, but from my legal understanding, this means we have to make full backups of the data at least for a senseful period of time (costing us infrastructure money), and someone should at least *DAILY* (even on Sundays) check the new uploads and remove infringement or illegal stuff. There already *DO* exist German court decisions, if you are notified of infringement on Sunday morning and have not reacted within 24 hours, you are fully liable. No joking.

Yes, maybe I'm too sceptic and pessimistic, and I don't want to vetoe, but I wanted to share my concerns anyways.


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