RE: [libreoffice-website] [Drupal] The road ahead and missed opportunities

> > > For instance, the Italian association (I am the president) has a web
> > > site which is never going to be officially connected to TDF and/or
> > > LibreOffice.
> >
> > Even assuming that there are some independent sites on LibO, how does that fact impact our 
> > strategy?
> > The users of that site are simply not OUR stakeholders.
>
> Wrong, they are extremely important as a stakeholder, because they are 
> advocating at local level. They are spreading the message, they are 
> promoting and supporting the software.

I don't get it. 
You want to run an independent site for LibO, without even any crosslinks.
Are you proposing any interfaces between the sites and/or communities?

> > And fortunately, there is no "history" attached with LibO community, right?
> > So we have this wonderful opportunity to use the latest and most powerful tools.
>
> Wrong, there are ten years of history coming with us, and people already 
> used to some tools. TDF announcement has stated clearly that this is the 
> evolution of the OOo project and not a revolution. If you refuse to 
> accept this fact there will never be an agreement.

And that's why we want to involve the stakeholders. That's the elicitation process.
The idea is not to change the tools for the heck of it.
The stakeholders should see benefits (the change management concepts do apply).

> > Still, I wouldn't say the project has gone out of control.
> > Which specific road map or milestones are being violated/missed here?
>
>  From your message, it is quite clear that the website team started from 
> the assumption that this is a new community, and this is definitely a 
> wrong assumption for this specific community.
> Continuity has always been a key statement: this is the old OOo 
> community evolving towards a different and better future, not into a new 
> and different community.

Obviously we cannot have a totally new community instantly, 

simply because most people joined from OOo, with a common past experience.
The OOo community has also evolved in last 10 years, and it will continue evolving further.
Please share SC's vision on how LibO product and community would evolve differently from OOo.
Also what should be the pace of this evolution (with the help of some milestones).
If long-term and medium-term goals are set, we will know the direction better.

Otherwise it just looks like "just don't do anything till I say so".
Which is what we started with.

BTW using a different set of tools does not mean a revolution either.
I have changed a huge number of tools for various purposes.  
I even use two different sets of tools at work and at home. What's the big deal?

> I would not call this a violation but a misunderstanding. If you prefer 
> the term violation, let's say that the assumption that this is a new 
> community is a violation of the road map.

I meant violation of "road map" in terms of versions, milestones, etc. against time.
Have we missed any of them because the web team is working elsewhere?
Then that should be communicated so that forces are rallied to meet those targets.

Regards,
-Narayan
                                          
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