[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 135501] Change the default UI

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135501

--- Comment #55 from John Mills <jmills59@yahoo.com> ---
> The MUFFIN Notebook Bar framework is limited by the controls, attributes and actions available 
> implemented as UNO applets. 
> UNO controls can not be manipulated like Ribbon Class object and any functional similarity is skin 
> deep. They are not implemented as 'native' Windows >(UWP/DWM)and so won't function like 
> them--though naive users will expect them to.  Why expose the Windows users to that 
> disappointment--and cause a lot of grief to the project otherwise when those users say they 
> "expect" it.

Hi Stuart,

I'm not sure if you would have any knowledge on this but it is an interesting
question to ponder.            

Do you know if WPS Office is directly programmable for UWP and DWM use on
Windows? And does it also integrates well with other Windows controls? If it
doesn't then does that hamper the use of the application by 'naive' Windows
users who know no better?

If it does use these interfaces then do the users of WPS office on MacOS have a
poorer user experience than their Windows counterparts? Do the users on Linux
also? 

Do they contact the publisher to report their poorer experience? Are they
unable to accomplish their office tasks because of this?

I can ask the same question for:

SoftmakerOffice

Polaris Office

FreeOffice

OnlyOffice (Desktop client)


And a number of Chinese office suites I have forgotten the name of, I'm sure
there are others also.

Do users of Microsoft Office on Mac also have these issues because they lack of
these essential functions? Do users of Microsoft Office 365 web client have
this poor user experience are they frustrated and unable to accomplish their
tasks?


> Rather than wasting project resources on changing default and dealing with long running support 
> requests, IMHO much more appealing to fix other facets of the GUI (e.g. Dark Mode support). 
> And then implement new useful document modes for the Libreoffice GUI handling of ODF, e.g. Tabbed 
> (bug 33173) or Multi-document (bug 37134) 

Does the possibility of switching to another user interface such as Tabbed
preclude these improvements taking place? Can we only have one of the other? 

Is it not possible to use a dark mode with notebook bar interfaces? Does the
architecture of the Notebook bar solutions preclude this? Maybe it's only a
Linux thing but I'm sure that it is possibility to have a dark interface with
LibreOffice under Ubuntu. 

If LibreOffice intended to include document tabs would it not be possible also
in one of the notebook bar interfaces? This can only be accomplished in the
current shipping interface?

Kind regards

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