Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Fwd: [PATCH] Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look]

Hi,

Mirek M. schrieb:
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Samuel Mehrbrodt <s.mehrbrodt@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Personally I would rather use the menu than these small buttons.
> >
> > But if that's the preferred way for you, I can try and do it. Doesn't
> > sound too complicated, also there are already buttons below the vertical
> > scrollbar. Can you give me Code Pointers to that?
>
>
> Honestly, I would encourage not to have a show/hide ruler button in the
> scroll bar area, as:
> 1) There would be size problems, as there are with the navigation buttons
> at the bottom of the scrollbar, which are barely usable since they're so
> small.
> 2) There would be icon problems, as there are with the navigation buttons.
> (On Linux, only a fourth of the circular "Navigation" icon is visible.)
> 3) It detracts from the general aesthetic.
> 4) It's not likely to be used often (a user who uses rulers often can keep
> them on at all times, a user that doesn't will rarely need the button),
> therefore it doesn't need up-front placement.

I think, that there is no need to mimic MS Word. The "Ruler" item is 
already in the View menu. That is fine for the keyboard fans.

In MS Word the vertical ruler has the additional task to open the page 
layout dialog, so there an on/off icon might me more needed than in LO.

For the more mouse orientated users a predefined icon would be nice. I 
argue for an icon, because it is laborious to generate an icon, when you 
add the "show/hide ruler" command to the toolbar. Perhaps add such icon 
to the standard toolbar, but switch it off as default, like it is done 
with the "save as" command?

> If you think we really need an up-front ruler toggle, how about putting it
> in the Standard toolbar, next to the other "View" buttons ("Navigator",
> "Gallery" "Data Sources", "Non-Printing Characters)? Or, if you think that
> would stretch the Standard toolbar too much, you could put all of these
> commands under a "View" drop-down.

Such drop-down lost the advantage of the toolbar over the menu, because 
you would need two clicks in both cases. Therefore I don't like such a 
drop-down.

Kind regards
Regina