Thanks Robert: After playing with this for quite a while, I figured enough time spent flogging a dead horse and I just created new text boxes where I wanted them and pulled in the drawings and images again and dropped the original errors. Took a while but faster than trying to repair the file. The real problem is that the chapter involved is 44 pages long with well over 100 images of one type and another and impractical to do any major change to. I tried to drag and drop the existing stuff to a new box but when the dialogue is open the existing image is underneath it and you can't grab it so I was lucky to have the original files available on the backup. Thanks for trying; I think there is something wrong here but I can't exclude the chance that I caused my own grief so I'm not going to issue a problem report. John ====== On Thu, 2026-04-23 at 07:48 -0400, Robert Funnell wrote:
John - In case it really is a configuration problem, have you tried taking a chapter file that works, deleting its contents, and then pasting in the contents from a chapter file that isn't working? (You might need to paste as unformatted text, which might then require a lot of fixing up.) I don't think I've experienced the problem you describe with the Align function. Is it possible that in one case you're selecting the image but in another case selecting the containing frame? Yes, I've experienced that fact that sometimes a box springs back to its initial location after trying to drag it with the mouse. I think that sometimes it has helped to drag the anchor rather than dragging the box. - Robert On 2026-04-22 20:48, John Iliffe wrote:Yes, that's what I was doing but after several days still no useful results so I thought it would be best to ask for help! What really frustrates me is that in some of the chapters everything works as expected which is the reason I think it is a configuration problem in the chapter file somewhere but I am totally unable to find it or think of a new approach. I have tried to match the box's properties with the ones that work but one thing I find is that changing some properties doesn't always result in the requested change happening. For example I can sometimes do an "align left" in the properties from the drop-down "align objects" menu of a box located on the right and it doesn't move at all. I CAN move it from the properties group of menus but that suggests that the two different control locations are not talking to each other which is rather odd. It is similar to the bug report that you suggested I read though. Towing it with the cursor sometimes (not always) behaves like the box is on a spring and it snaps back where it was. Thanks again Robert. John ====== On Wed, 2026-04-22 at 19:42 -0400, Robert Funnell wrote:Yes, John, those kinds of problems look familiar :-( I don't have a guaranteed recipe when they happen, I just move things around until it works. - Robert On 2026-04-22 13:27, John Iliffe wrote:The pdf is available at: https://www.coaxpublications.ca/bsg10-1rw-page11.pdf Thanks. John ====== On Wed, 2026-04-22 at 00:34 -0400, Robert Funnell wrote:John - We can't see your PDF file because attachments are removed (https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette#Avoid_Attachments Images and their captions can be separated if, when dragging, you have clicked on the image rather than on its containing caption frame. - Robert On 2026-04-21 11:01, John Iliffe wrote:Further to my original post, still no suggestions on how to fix the problem but I did get one private response requesting more information. Since I may not have provided a adequate description, here is what the respondent requested: ============================================== pdf version of one problem page is attached. Note the upper image is overlaid on the text. Also, note the box at the centre bottom is overlaid on the bottom page margin. 1. When you drag an image, usually the anchor comes along. As an example, if you drag a paragraph anchor image, the anchor icon snaps from paragraph to paragraph as you pass them. A problem does occur doing this when there is a page break inside the drag. 2. I usually anchor to the paragraph since it seems logical to me. So far as I know that is the case for all of my current problems. Here is the list of properties for the upper image that is overlaying the text on the attached pdf: (caption) wrap: optimal, spacing left: 0.20, bottom: 0.20 allow overlap: off (photo) wrap: optimal, spacing left: 0.20, allow overlap: off [Note that the caption and image seem to have separated into separate boxes for some reason] (caption) position and size: anchor: to paragraph, position: from left: 9.85 cm, entire para area (image) position and size: anchor: to paragraph, position: from left 0.00, entire paragraph area 3. the captions seem to have been detached from the images as separate frames. This means that all of the cations have to be moved separately when the image is dragged to a new location. Originally they were created using the "insert caption" function. Apart from that there doesn't seem to be anything relevant. ===================================== As further explanation, I am using the current Fedora version of LibreOffice. Fedora is set to do automatic updates so it is always current but may not be the same as the latest LO version, I don't know. [25.8.6.2 (X86_64)] --------- On Sun, 2026-04-19 at 16:18 -0400, John Iliffe wrote:I am trying to update a book and adding new material causes the pages to reflow. So far as I know there is no style; this has been created over many years and many different word processors. When I add new material drawings and photos move down, often on top of the bottom margin of the page. As I reposition them the existing text disappears under the image and the captions come apart from the images. Using the drop down and also the properties menus for the current container to set the location and padding does not resolve the problem, even though I have ensured that the "Allow Overlay" option is not checked. Usually when this happens the anchor icon is not showing on the screen, that is the anchor does not move with the container. Clicking on the "Align Objects" list using "right" then "left" (or vice versa) only causes the image to move a few millimetres suggesting that the area in use is internal to the containing box but I can't see any way to adjust that. This may be a legacy problem, I agree, but can anyone help? Thanks in advance. John ======
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