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Thanks Robert, explains one of my problems!  Often I have to click on the image because the caption
is over the page footer or margin and so not clickable.  My expectation, for what it is worth, is
that a box/frame of any type should never reflow over a protected area, ie the page boundaries.

I did notice that the example page was missing and figured out why last evening.  I will get it
online on my website as soon as I can get access to it (limited by server security to certain
locations where I'm not at the moment).  Probably this afternoon.

What I did discover after a lot of trial and error is that I can recreate the box and then anchor it
to the page and shove it around and it doesn't overlap the text.  This is not really a usable
solution because any further reflows will put the drawings and the descriptive text in separated
locations.

John
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On Wed, 2026-04-22 at 00:34 -0400, Robert Funnell wrote:
John -

We can't see your PDF file because attachments are removed 
(https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette#Avoid_Attachments).

Images and their captions can be separated if, when dragging, you have 
clicked on the image rather than on its containing caption frame.

- Robert

On 2026-04-21 11:01, John Iliffe wrote:
Further to my original post, still no suggestions on how to fix the problem but I did get one
private response requesting more information.  Since I may not have provided a adequate
description,
here is what the respondent requested:

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pdf version of one problem page is attached. Note the upper image is overlaid on the text. 
Also,
note the box at the centre bottom is overlaid on the bottom page margin.

1.  When you drag an image, usually the anchor comes along.  As an example, if you drag a
paragraph
anchor image, the anchor icon snaps from paragraph to paragraph as you pass them.  A problem
does
occur doing this when there is a page break inside the drag.

2.  I usually anchor to the paragraph since it seems logical to me.  So far as I know that is
the
case for all of my current problems.  Here is the list of properties for the upper image that is
overlaying the text on the attached pdf:
(caption) wrap:  optimal, spacing left: 0.20, bottom: 0.20 allow overlap: off
(photo) wrap: optimal, spacing left: 0.20, allow overlap: off
[Note that the caption and image seem to have separated into separate boxes for some reason]

(caption) position and size: anchor: to paragraph, position: from left: 9.85 cm, entire para
area
(image) position and size: anchor: to paragraph, position: from left 0.00, entire paragraph area

3.   the captions seem to have been detached from the images as separate frames.  This means
that
all of the cations have to be moved separately when the image is dragged to a new location.
Originally they were created using the "insert caption" function.

Apart from that there doesn't seem to be anything relevant.

=====================================

As further explanation, I am using the current Fedora version of LibreOffice.  Fedora is set to
do
automatic updates so it is always current but may not be the same as the latest LO version, I
don't
know. [25.8.6.2 (X86_64)]

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On Sun, 2026-04-19 at 16:18 -0400, John Iliffe wrote:
I am trying to update a book and adding new material causes the pages to reflow.  So far as I
know
there is no style; this has been created over many years and many different word processors.

When I add new material drawings and photos move down, often on top of the bottom margin of
the
page.  As I reposition them the existing text disappears under the image and the captions come
apart
from the images.  Using the drop down and also the properties menus for the current container
to
set
the location and padding does not resolve  the problem, even though I have ensured that the
"Allow
Overlay" option is not checked.  Usually when this happens the anchor icon is not showing on
the
screen, that is the anchor does not move with the container. Clicking on the "Align Objects"
list
using "right" then "left" (or vice versa) only causes the image to move a few millimetres
suggesting
that the area in use is internal to the containing box but I can't see  any way to adjust
that.

This may be a legacy problem, I agree, but can anyone help?

Thanks in advance.

John
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