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On 25/07/2021 15:49, John Kaufmann wrote:
Hi Regina,
On 2021-07-23 20:30, Regina Henschel wrote:
Steve Edmonds schrieb am 18.07.2021 um 23:05:
Is it possible to set Writer callout text paragraph style (or default settings, if so where please.
This is to avoid having to change the font and left hand offset in every line callout one at a time.

No, it is not possible. Using the legacy callouts or the custom shape callouts makes no difference. 
You get always a shape and in Writer neither for the shape itself nor for the text in the shape 
styles are possible. You can only use direct formatting in Writer.

Your distinction between legacy callouts and custom shape callouts implies that the basic idea has 
been around for some time, and special callout shapes were added later. Do you recall when it 
started, and at what point someone was moved to add custom shapes? In order to understand the issue 
(and any possible deficiencies) further, I would like to:
 (1) see the earliest Writer Guide and Help in which callouts are mentioned;
 (2) try to understand why special shapes were of more interest than style support;
 (3) try to understand the intended use of the "Callouts" toolbar, and why it has not been made 
 (4) try to understand when and why Vertical Callouts were added to the Drawing toolbar (but not 
made visible).

I've been intrigued by this thread. Callouts was something I'd never heard of but I've now found 
them quite useful. As far as documentation is concerned, I have an old file, 
GS42-GettingStartedLO.pdf, from 2014 in which a search for 'callouts' gets several hits on 3 pages.

The first says "For more information, see the Draw Guide Chapter 7 Getting Started with Draw, or the 
Impress Guide Chapters 4, 5, and 6."   I don't have either of these two.

The next says "Click on the triangle to the right of the Callouts icon to open the Callouts toolbar for 
drawing".  So it would appear that the callouts toolbar is nothing more than a dropdown from the 
callouts icon in the Drawing toolbar.

The 3rd page just shows that there are 2 callout icons on the Drawing toolbar. In fact, in my copy 
of Writer ( in UbuntuStudio 20.04.2) there are those 2 icons, one with a dropdown list of  7 
icons (the toolbar?) and the other a single icon which gives a simple rectangular callout shape.


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