Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer Callout Style settings

OK, Steve.
So:
> I have View>Toolbars>Drawing enabled. In that I have 2 callout options, a speech bubble and a 
> rectangular text callout. ...

That answers my two questions:
(1) You don't use a Callouts toolbar [contra the Help, confirming a bug there].
(2) Instead, from the Drawing toolbar [which is where I found them] you use these callout commands:
> >     <Category:Options>    <Tooltip:"Callouts">    <Label:"Callout Shapes">
> >     <Category:Drawing>    <Tooltip:"Callouts">    <Label:"Callouts">

But [as I noted earlier] there /is/ a "Callouts" toolbar listed among the toolbars in:
        View => Toolbars => Customize...
        => Toolbars tab => Target
I would love to know what that is about, and how to make that Callouts toolbar visible to use.

In the same vein [and I will bet related], there is also a callouts command that is *not* visible 
on the Drawing toolbar (though I suspect, if you check the Customize options, it is enabled and so 
should be visible):
> >     <Category:Drawing>    <Tooltip:"Vertical Callouts">   <Label:"Vertical Callouts">

IOW, if I had to guess, I suspect that callouts are not a completely implemented function, though 
they are a good beginning to extend text boxes into a special use case that will be very valuable 
when it is more functional. That would explain some things:
 *** the Help bug (probably had to be written before they really knew how it will turn out);
 *** a lack of style support that you expected (or requested) in your OP;
 *** a labelled but still unimplemented "Vertical Callouts" command;
 *** anomalies you have found, reflecting sparse user feedback. [Bugs can exist with lots of user 
feedback.]

That said, when I was trying to understand your OP, and callouts generally, my search led to this 
page -
        "Callout Sidebars on LibreOffice"
        <https://writingdoneright.net/videos/tutorials/callout-sidebars-on-libreoffice>
- which uses a slightly different (but related) definition of "callout", presenting how to do /its/ callout 
function in LO without any special LO callout commands.  Both functions are useful, but it can only cause confusion to 
call both functions "callouts".

John


On 2021-07-23 16:58, Steve Edmonds wrote:
> Thanks for the reply.
> I have View>Toolbars>Drawing enabled. In that I have 2 callout options, a speech bubble and a 
> rectangular text callout. Your icon set may differ.
> I am using the callouts to annotate some images for reference in my explanation text.
>
> If I add a rectangular text callout I can right click and edit some characteristics. With the callout 
> selected, I can use the menu Format>Text Box and Shape.
> Possibly callouts are still "in development" as, although my document units are cm and last week 
> the callout properties were in cm, today callout properties are in inches.
>
> There is also a funny quirk where callouts become invisible (but still there) when the anchor is 
> not in an appropriate place.
>
> Steve
>
> On 24/07/2021 08:18, John Kaufmann wrote:
> > On 2021-07-18 17:05, Steve Edmonds wrote:
> >
> > > Is it possible to set Writer callout text paragraph style (or default settings, if so where please.
> > > This is to avoid having to change the font and left hand offset in every line callout one at a time.
> >
> > When I first saw this question, I had no clue what you were asking (having never used callouts), so looked 
> > forward to an answer, to at least help understand the question.  When no answer came, I tried the LibreOffice 
> > 7.1 Help on "callout" -- and found it unhelpful:
> >
> > > "Opens the Callouts toolbar from which you can insert graphics into your document."
> >
> > But that leaves these problems:
> > (1) It's not clear WHAT "Opens the Callouts toolbar" [apparent bug in the Help], and IAC:
> > (2) As installed (that is, in the default configuration), View=>Toolbars shows *no* "Callouts 
> > toolbar".
> >
> > As for (1): *WHAT* opens the Callouts toolbar?
> >
> > As for (2): The lack of a toolbar, which is supposed to exist, led me to:
> >     View => Toolbars => Customize...
> > In the Toolbars tab, with <Scope:LibreOffice Writer>, the <Target> box shows "Callouts" among the 
> > possible tool bars, but gives no control (that I can see) for how to make it appear in the View=>Toolbars menu.
> >
> > Further, after much searching, I found that the Drawing toolbar has these three apparently-relevant 
> > commands:
> >     <Category:Options>    "Callout Shapes"
> >     <Category:Drawing>    "Callouts"
> >     <Category:Drawing>    "Vertical Callouts"
> > (The command categories were found in a subsequent command search on "callout".)
> >
> > But none of that gets any closer to /using/ these commands.  So, at the most basic level of use: 
> > How do you /invoke/ callouts? - via a Callouts toolbar or the Drawing toolbar? If you use a 
> > Callouts toolbar, how do you make it appear?
> >
> > John


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