Re: [libreoffice-users] Understanding Character styles "Default Style" and relative font sizes

Hi Robert,

Thanks so much for answering, but I think you misunderstood the question, which is essentially 
about the behavior of *Character* styles, not Paragraph styles. I'm sorry if that was not clear. To 
help correct, I will insert the proper context in the snippet you quoted below, and begin by 
quoting a little more from the original post, for what I hope will be adequate context:

> > In most cases the Paragraph and Character styles seem to coexist with the rules above -- 
> > essentially, that the Character style modifies the character attributes of the Paragraph style -- 
> > but something different happens with relative font size: the character size is some percentage, but 
> > of what? - apparently /not/ of the character size specified in the relevant Paragraph style, or 
> > even in the Paragraph Default Style.  All percentages seem to be based on a 12pt font, regardless 
> > of the font size specified in the Paragraph style.

With that fuller context, let's proceed:

On 2020-07-09 04:47, Robert Großkopf wrote:
 
> > All percentages [of the *Character* style] seem to be based on a 12pt
> > font, regardless of the font size specified in the Paragraph style.
>
> 12pt is the defined font size of the paragraph "Default Style". You have
> to look in the style dialog in tab "Organizer" → "Inherit from". You
> could change "Default Style" of the paragraph for changing the size for
> all depending font sizes.
>
> "Addressee" depends directly to the font size of "Default Style". So the
> font size will be changed if the font size of "Default Style" has been
> changed.
>
> "Heading", for example, sets the inherits from Default Style. It is
> overwritten there by font size 14pt. "Heading 1" is inherit from
> "Heading". It takes this 14pt and will set it to 130%.

You see, all your examples were of the cascading of relative sizes within a cascade of linked 
Paragraph styles: each child style modifies its direct parent style. I thought the original post 
demonstrated that I understand how that works, and was surprised only by how Character styles -- 
which apparently exist to modify the character attributes of the Paragraph style -- differ in that 
regard. As you have used examples to communicate the principle [just not the principle I intended], 
let me do likewise:

Take the Character style "Emphasis". Change the font size from absolute (by default, 12pt) to relative (say, 150%). Apply that 
style to a string of text in some paragraph (say, Paragraph style "Text Body"). To what is that 150% related? If you change the 
font size of the Paragraph style (say, increase "Text Body" from 12pt to 20pt), note that the size of the text in 
"Emphasis" /does not change/.  So in what way does the Character style modify the character attributes of the Paragraph style?

 
> All is based on the default styles: Paragraphs for the whole paragraph
> styles, fonts to the whole character styles.

I'm sorry, this part of your answer I did not understand. I /think/ you refer to the hierarchical linking of 
attributes within Paragraph styles -- and Character styles may similarly be hierarchically linked, but not 
based on the /Character/ style "Default Style".  All that, I knew, but it's possible you were 
saying something more. [I must admit I had to think more about the significance of those 19 words than about 
the rest of your reply, trying to determine if I was missing something.]  So if you were saying something 
more than I understood, would you please help me understand your intent?


> Default character style only deletes all the changes of the character
> styles you made in a special tab. For example the character style
> "Emphasis": There is only set Font > Italic. You could only set it back
> to "change nothing" by choosing in tab "Font" → "Standard".

Yes. I think I expressed it thus --

> > There is also a /Character/ style "Default Style", which /cannot/ be either modified or chosen as 
> > the basis of other Character styles; its sole function seems to be, when invoked, to de-select any other 
> > character style, to the return the selected string to the character attributes specified in the Paragraph 
> > style governing the paragraph(s) housing that string.

-- and that this function of the Character style "Default Style" (to remove any other character 
style) is complemented by the ability you mention, to reset any other Character style to adopt the attributes 
of the underlying Paragraph style.  Again, about that there is no question. [Though again, as I mentioned in 
the original post, so much of that apparent complication stems from the decision to include character 
attributes in the Paragraph styles, which I think is done for MS compatibility.]


> Hope it helps. My English is a littel bit confusing for other people.

Uberhaupt nicht. Ich werde Ihre Geduld mit meinem Deutsch nicht missbrachen. Ich schatze dass Sie 
meinem Muttersprache schreiben. Ich weiss den zusatlichen Aufwand. Manchmal denke ich, dass jeder 
in seiner bekanntesten Sprache sprechen und schreiben, um sich einfachsten auf die Ideen zu 
konzentrieren. Ich schatze es einfach, wenn jemand daruber hinausgeht.

Grusse, und kind regards,
John

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