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On 12/23/2017 05:54 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote:

On 12/23/2017 01:25 AM, Dave Barton wrote:
Even better if the day ever comes when we can have styles list undocked
from the sidebar, in the same way as Navigator.

Dave

Sort of like the way it was *before* the UI was improved.

A suggestion to developers:

I would be very slow to change a program's user interface. End users
learn a given interface and, over time, become very proficient with it
(I think back to my DOS days when I could make PC-Write sing and dance
with those Wordstar Ctrl-Key combinations). Then, someone comes along
and decides to improve the UI by moving everything around (including
moving the "Ctrl" away from its original position next to the "A" key).
Several years ago, MS did this when it introduced its Ribbon, which
forced end users to relearn their UI, which also meant *unlearning* many
of the methods by which they had previously grown very productive. I
think this is one reason Emacs and Vim are so popular with their
respective users; the interface remains consistent over the years.

One reason I like LibreOffice is because its developers seem to have
been very slow to make unnecessary changes to the UI. For that, I offer
a hearty thank you.

That said, I think the sidebar was at least incomplete in its
implementation, with no ability for the user to select the particular
sidebar he wanted as default (i.e., styles vs. properties.) I will
welcome a fix when it comes.

I seem to remember seeing the sidebar first on Apache OpenOffice and
thinking, "This is one reason I prefer LO." Then, on my next LO upgrade,
I saw the sidebar and was bummed. Did LO copy the sidebar from AOO, or
was it the other way around.

Virgil

Virgil,
Your posting brought back a faint memory of that sidebar. I squashed it long ago when it was first introduced and haven't seen it since. I had to bring up AOO and check for it. You can squash it with the little icon on the left margin of the sidebar. There are < and > icons that expand or squash the sidebar respectively. Yes, when squashed there is still a bit of wasted main window on the right side for these icons, but that is the sacrifice for options.
HTH.
Girvin Herr

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