Re: [libreoffice-users] for the list members

At 14:51 31/10/2016 -0500, Anne Noname wrote:
> From: Brian Barker
> Date: Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 10:02 PM
> To: Anne Noname <laginnis@gmail.com>
> > As patiently requested previously, please, 
> > *please* don't just reply to messages that have 
> > not appeared on the list. If you approve them, 
> > release them first to the list and reply to the 
> > list copy. Anything else will confuse people 
> > and break the threading. It's very easy just to 
> > get it right; please just do so.
>
> Thinking the list should be aware of this, I'm 
> sending to the list. In response to you, Brian 
> Barker - who doesn't seem to be listed as a 
> moderator BTW, I'm copying here part of the 
> rules: "To release it to the list, please send a 
> message to <> which can usually be done simply 
> by replying to this message" which does not 
> state there is only one way - note 'usually' - 
> therefore when a message has not been released 
> to the list, yet I think it should be, I will so 
> do ... & if I have something to say in response, I shall so do.

o I was courteous enough to make my suggestion 
privately, so as not to embarrass you. It is 
inappropriate for you to publicise my private 
correspondence (though I am in no way embarrassed 
by it). It is also weird that you should want to 
advertise your mistake to people around the world. But chacun à son goût.

o No, of course I am not a moderator, but that 
doesn't stop my noticing your mistake. I don't 
need to be a murderer to know that murder is a Bad Thing.

o The "rule" you quote invites you to send *a* 
message - not *the* query message in question - 
in order to release the query message to the 
list. To do this, you reply to the moderation 
request, not to the original message, and you 
send the reply not to the list itself but to the 
list processor, of course. You have cheekily 
excised the appropriate address (not the list's 
address) from the angle brackets in your 
quotation above. That different address would 
make very clear the meaning of the "rule".

o The "usually" does not mean what you claim. It 
doesn't mean that there are alternatives - though 
indeed there are. It means that replying to the 
moderation request (to the list processor, not 
the list) will work if the list processor has 
been configured to allow that method. In any 
case, the alternative will almost certainly be to 
use a web interface to the list processor. It 
will certainly not be to cut the text of the 
original message from your moderation request and 
to create a new message and thread as if from you.

o Of course you are very welcome to make your own 
comments on messages; you implication that this 
is being criticised is a straw man. But the way 
to do that - as I patiently explained again above 
- is first to approve the message and then, if 
you wish, to reply to it. But for the threading 
to work properly and for people to be able to see 
what is happening, you need to reply to the copy 
of the original message that - like other 
subscribers - you will receive from the list once 
it has been approved, not to carve up the 
moderation request and misuse that to create a new message of your own.

o You can see from 
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/nabble/ that 
"local help by anne-ology" is wrongly listed as 
if it is a new message from you, not a reply.

There is no shame in not understanding things or 
indeed in making mistakes. But it is reasonable 
that when things are explained to you or errors 
pointed out, you should remedy the problem. I'm 
guessing that there must be other moderators and 
that they could help you get up to speed. If you 
want to discuss this further (which I am happy to 
do), may I suggest that we don't trouble the list with the conversations?

Thanks.

Brian Barker  


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