Re: [libreoffice-users] Goodbye to Open Office (maybe?)

Yes, but there is in the open source community a lack of the kind of
open source that brought to the world such things as Linux and 
Libre office..    its called need..  

need has a market.. if i were running the open source.. i would give
some real thought to getting potential users to vote for a product
or a product change.. in advance.. the build it they will come does
not work well.. instead  should me it is needed there we will 
build it.. 

For example a few years back if anyone had said I will develop
an alternative spreadsheet to compete with the vendors our here,
as soon as 100,000 send in $20 each.. 

That money would have been 100,000 sales.. and each person
would be tell developers what it is that got their $20 bucks. 

Right now if someone were do that with CAD, Libre Cad lacks so
much, it is hard to call it competitive, I mean it cannot really 
compete with the commercial cad ware out there
I would bet 500,000 people would any up $20 around the globe. 

Make a product on a dedicated os, so that the os is never a problem
its invisible to the cad and it will reduce commercial cad to about the
level of commercial word processors. 

the market must pay, but there is no need for a vendor to 
discover a market need, then get a patent, lobby the government
 and then get to government to make it a monopoly so the 
vendor can force the market to pay

Linux was a project in which everyone that could participated.. 
because the need for such a product was extremely in need. 





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On Sun, 9/4/16, toki <toki.kantoor@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Goodbye to Open Office (maybe?)
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Sunday, September 4, 2016, 8:49 AM
 
 On 03/09/2016 11:50, CVAlkan wrote:
 
> Is this a case of "Where there's smoke ..."
 
 Pretty much since AOo entered the Apache fold, it has had
 problems.
 Some were major, such as no release manager for months. Some
 were minor,
 such as an inability to produce documentation.
 
 As far as actual retirement goes, and being kicked into the
 Attic goes.
 That won't happen this year.
 
 However, the following quotes from https://db.apache.org/newproject.html
 apply to all Apache Projects, especially podlings:
 * «Orphaned products. Products which have lost their
 corporate sponsor
 (for whatever reason) do not make good candidates. These
 products will
 lack a development community and won't have the support
 needed to
 succeed under the DB umbrella»;
 * «Reliance on salaried developers. DB has strong ties to
 the business
 community. Many of our developers are encouraged by their
 employers to
 work open source projects as part of their regular job. We
 feel that
 this is a Good Thing, and corporations should be entitled to
 contribute
 to open source, same as anyone else. However, we are wary of
 products
 which rely strongly on developers who only work on open
 source products
 when they are paid to do so. A product at DB must continue
 to exist
 beyond the participation of individual volunteers. We
 believe the best
 indicator of success is when developers volunteer their own
 time to work
 open source projects.»
 
 When AOo went into incubation at AFS, it was an orphaned
 project, with
 an over-reliance of paid developers from IBM. When IBM
 pulled the plug
 on AOo development, AOo development came to standstill.
 As such, the long term prognosis of AOo is not good.
 
 Gilles wrote:
 
> Apache has taken an unreasonable amount of time to clean
 up all the
 code - in particular licenses
 
 The initial code clean up was specifically to verify the
 providence of
 each line of code:
 * That the line of code was correctly licensed;
 * That The Apache Software Foundation had the legal right to
 use the code;
 * That The Apache Software Foundation had the moral right to
 use the code;
 This type of code verification always takes a long time ---
 as in one
 hour per line of code.
 
 The net result is that if there are any legal challenges to
 the code,
 ASF can say: "Here is the code in question, and here is our
 legal right
 to use the code".
 
 Two things that the code clean up did not do were:
 * Identify algorithms that might infringe upon existing
 patents. Under
 current US Patent Law, this is extremely
 counter-productive;
 * Identify algorithms that infringe upon copyright, as
 defined in Oracle
 v. Google, (United States Court of Appeals for the Federal
 Circuit,
 2013-1021, 1022, Decided: May 9, 2014. SCOTUS 14-410
 2015-06-29 Petition
 Denied.){In fairness to ASF, this definition of copyright
 was
 unexpected. IMNSHO, it was an incredibly bad decision on the
 part of the
 court --- on a par with the Appellate Court ruling that if
 you buy a DVD
 in Colorado, you buy the copyright for the DVD.
 
> It would be a good thing FOR EVERYBODY if Apache decided
 to officially
 call it quits on OOo,
 
 Right now, there are a dozen things that AOo can do, that
 LibO can't do.
 These are features and functions that LibO, for various
 reasons, has
 deliberately chosen to not provide. Over time, the number of
 unique
 functions for each program (AOo, EO, LibO, NO) to increase.
 
> I'll let you imagine the number of unpatched
 vulnerabilities inside)..
 
 The next release of AOo will fix a known security
 exploit.  I don't know
 if that is the one that is in the wild, or not.
 
 ###
 
 ODF_Tools has tried to go the Attic on two separate
 occasions, but
 hasn't gotten there yet.
 
 jonathon
 
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