Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: welcome screen keyboard shortcuts strange behavior

Hi :)
Errr, i meant posting it as being specific to the 5.0.x might not be
helpful.  I think just post in a general way.

Obviously you can mention which release YOU first noticed the issue and
what version you used to use.  That gives a broad spread of several
releases, perhaps even covering several branches, but that can be
narrowed-down later on if required.  The exact time the change happened
might not even be useful at all.  So that is something that can be worked
on while waiting for a response to the general idea.

Regards from
Tom :)




On 14 May 2016 at 12:08, Tom Davies <tomcecf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi :)
> Yes, i agree.
>
> It's not worth posting bug-reports against any in the 5.0.x branch now.
> Finding the exact release where the change happened is not hugely useful,
> especially right now.  It might be useful sometime after the
> bug-report/feature-request is opened.
>
> It is always difficult to gather everything that might be useful in the
> first post of a bug-report/feature-request.  It is probably better to just
> "post early and update often" so keep the initial
> bug-report/feature-request really short.  Just a tiny post and maybe even
> state "More to follow ..." at the bottom of the post so that any dev or
> triager can see that they don't have to type in a request for further info.
>
>
> There are so many bug-reports that the chances are that you will have been
> able to add additional information before anyone gets a chance to read
> yours.  As you add information over the next couple of weeks that might
> "bump the thread" a bit too try to keep it nearer the top but try to avoid
> flagrant abuse of that.  A little use of something sometimes makes a thing
> more intriguing where a lot of use becomes a pain.
>
> Many of us stick with the more stable branch so many on this mailing list
> may not have moved to the 5.1.x either.  Those who have may well be too
> busy to try out someone else's issue just yet.
>
> Also the issue is not causing the program or computer to crash or be
> unstable or misbehave in that sort of way so it's not really a "bug" as
> such, at least not to the devs ways of thinking.  It's more like a
> feature-request, but for something that used to work a certain way and now
> works a different way.
>
> So i'd recommend posting an initial feature-request asap, but with minimal
> information =  just the main issue.  Stuart has helped pin-point the issue
> quite a bit and hopefully that can help you keep the first post really
> short and direct.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> On 14 May 2016 at 09:35, Ady Ady <ady4lst@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Tom Davies <tomcecf@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi :)
> > >
> > > Thanks for seeking feedback from here before posting a
> > > bug-report/feature-request.  As you know, sometimes a change in
> > behaviour is
> > > required to consolidate inconsistent behaviour or to smooth out other
> > > coding, or to keep-up with current trends in other, similar(ish)
> > programs or
> > > happens somewhat unintentionally.  Usually any such changes are noted
> > in the
> > > change-log, neatly re-written at;
> > > https://www.libreoffice.org/download/release-notes/
> > >
> > > LibreOffice/OpenOffice is over 10 years old and a lot has changed in
> > that
> > > time.  Hopefully the newer ways are easy to adapt to and are an
> > improvement.
> > > Where that is not the case it's fairly easy to post a bug-report
> > although
> > > carefully phrasing it as a feature-request seems to have more chance of
> > > attracting interest.
> > >
> > > So, please give it a fair go but feel free to post a
> > > bug-report/feature-request now that you've narrowed it down to being a
> > > change-of-focus issue.
> > >
> > > Good luck and regards from
> > > Tom :)
> >
> > I am unsure whether I should open a bug report / enhancement request,
> > considering that I have not tested 5.1.x.
> >
> > From Stuart's reply, I understood that some things have been changing
> > in the Startup Screen, and that they are still changing. I would guess
> > that having a request for enhancement without actually reporting the
> > behavior of the most current / updated release (5.1.x) would not
> > attract enough attention and would probably be considered an
> > incomplete report.
> >
> > Additionally, the only version from the 5.0.x branch I have tested is
> > 5.0.6.3, so the (initial) version number in which the behavior changed
> > would not be accurate (enough).
> >
> > If I cannot test the current (5.1.x) behavior (because I am not ready
> > to update yet), how would I report a bug / request an enhancement? I
> > mean, I could, but it would probably be mostly ignored, wouldn't it?
> >
> > I think it might be useful, before actually opening a request for
> > enhancement, if someone could try to replicate the behavior / tests in
> > the 5.1.x branch and report it here. Also, testing under other OSes
> > might be relevant too.
> >
> > With more details and tests from different users under diverse
> > circumstances / versions, a request for enhancement might be more
> > relevant and taken more seriously.
> >
> > Finally, I am still unsure whether this is really a request for
> > enhancement or rather a bug report with a regression between 4.4.x and
> > 5.0.x, considering that the expected behavior was working correctly in
> > 4.4.x, it is (partially) broken in 5.0.6.3 (and maybe in all the 5.0.x
> > branch), and I see no advantage from the users' perspective to not
> > have these shortcuts working from the start. Comments about this
> > matter would be very welcome.
> >
> > I hope users can attempt these simple tests and report their results,
> > including the OS and version information, so a potential bug report /
> > request for enhancement would be actually worth.
> >
> > TIA,
> > Ady.
> >
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