Re: [libreoffice-users] Outline Numbering

I'm beginning to think there is a definite bug here.

I just renamed my user profile, and opened a brand new document using 
the default template. I then experimented with the following steps.

Step 1: I setup three outline styles. I then typed the name of the 
styles and applied the appropriate outline level to each line:

1 Heading 1
1.1 Heading 2
1.1.1 Heading 3

So far so good.

Step 2: I then demoted the second line to outline level three and 
promoted the third line to outline level two (without changing text on 
each line) and got the following:

1 Heading 1
1.1.1 Heading 2  [actually Heading 3 paragraph style]
1.2 Heading 3     [actually Heading 2 paragraph style]

Step 3: Then, out of curiosity, I applied the "Default Style" to the 
second line and got the following:

1 Heading 1
Heading 2        [actually "Default Style"]
1.1 Heading 3

Step 4: I then reapplied Heading 3 to the second line and got the following:

1 Heading 1
1.1.1 Heading 2  [actually Heading 3 paragraph style]
1.1 Heading 3     [actually Heading 2 paragraph style]

Notice that the third line did *not* change to 1.2 as it did in the 
second step. It remained 1.1

Step 5: I then hit Ctrl-z (undo) several times to get back to Step 3, 
and when I got there, I got the following:

1 Heading 1
Heading 2        [actually "Default Style"]
1.2 Heading 3

Notice that the third line is now 1.2 instead of 1.1 as it was in Step 
3. (I noticed I could get the same result if, after Step 4, I promoted 
the second line to outline level 2 and then immediately demoted it again 
to outline level 3.

LO definitely doesn't like it when one applies outline levels out of 
order, but that is not uncommon in writing. I often use outlines like 
the following:

1. Heading 1

    A. Normal text (outline level 6)

        i. Normal text (outline level 7)

1.x Heading 2

    A. Normal text (outline level 6)

        i. Normal text (outline level 7)

In short, I think LO is confused on outline numbering. Or else, I'm 
confused in how to set them up and use them.

The only way I know to setup an outline hierarchy is through "Tools" 
"Outline Numbering" which only allows one outline hierarchy at a time. 
So I have to set up both my Headings and Normal text outline levels in 
one place. But, this requires that I use them out of order as I mix 
headings and normal text together.

Virgil


On 10/05/2015 08:59 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
> I think I was too easily persuaded on this matter. As I think about it 
> further, I think LO is treating the outline numbering wrongly. I've 
> compared LO with LaTeX and LaTeX treats the heading numbering 
> differently.
>
> Let's keep it simple for my illustration. In LO, let's say I have 
> three heading styles (Heading 1, Heading 2, and Heading 3). If I put 
> them in order, I get (properly):
>
> 1. Heading 1
> 1.1 Heading 2
> 1.1.1 Heading 3
>
> This corresponds to LaTeX's Section, Subsection, and Subsubsection 
> environments, which appear as follows (again properly):
>
> 1. Section
> 1.1 Subsection
> 1.1.1 Subsubsection
>
> But, if I switch the second and third headings, LO and LaTeX provide 
> different results. In LO, I get
>
> 1. Heading 1
> 1.1.1 Heading 3
> 1.2 Heading 2
>
> but, with LaTeX, I get,
>
> 1. Section
> 1.0.1 Subsubsection
> 1.1 Subsection
>
> I think LaTeX's treatment is mathematically more correct. Until I 
> actual use the second heading, it's value should remain "0", which is 
> reflected in LaTeX's second example. But, LO gives it a value of "1" 
> even though I've not yet used it. Thus, in LO, my first use of the 
> second Heading is given a value of "2" as in 1.2, whereas in LaTeX, my 
> first use of the second heading is given a value of 1 as in 1.1.
>
> I think LaTeX has it right.
>
> I tried changing the starting value of Heading 2 to "0", but that 
> messes things up when I use the levels in order, so that's not the 
> solution.
>
> Funny thing is that I've just noticed this behavior. I don't recall 
> seeing this happen in earlier versions of LO. I'm currently using 
> 4.4.5.2.
>
> In fact, I just loaded two LO documents, one an old one where the 
> numbering acts like LaTeX, and a newer one, where the numbering acts 
> like the current LO. My outline numbering settings are the same and my 
> styles are similar (with different names). For the life of me I can 
> find no setting between the two documents that is different that could 
> explain the different style of outline numbering. I'll keep looking, 
> but for now, it's just weird.
>
> I've noticed other strange behavior with LO's outline numbering. 
> Sometimes, the "Position" settings are in terms of the "width of the 
> numbering." At other times, it is in terms of what is placed after the 
> number, a space, tab, or nothing.
>
> curiouser and curiouser.
>
> Virgil
>
> On 09/27/2015 03:55 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
> > On 09/27/2015 06:42 AM, libreoffice-ml.mbourne@spamgourmet.com wrote:
> > > I think skipping outline numbering levels, in this case from level 1 
> > > (Heading 1) to level 6 (Outline 1) implicitly inserts the 
> > > intermediate levels for numbering purposes. It's more obvious with 
> > > styles which show all the numbering levels. e.g. if you were to 
> > > insert a Heading 5 after the Heading 1, it is numbered 2.1.1.1.1, as 
> > > if there were a 2.1, 2.1.1 and 2.1.1.1 in between. Thus the next 
> > > Heading 2 inserted is 2.2:
> > >   1. Heading 1
> > >        1.1.1.1.1 Heading 5
> > >        1.1.1.1.2 Heading 5
> > >   2. Heading 1
> > >        2.1.1.1.1 Heading 5
> > >   2.2 Heading 2
> > >
> > > Mark.
> > Thanks. That makes sense. So my problem was trying to combine heading 
> > and outline styles in a single series of 10 outline levels. My 
> > outline styles essentially became subordinate heading styles.
> >
> > Virgil


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