Re: [libreoffice-users] Outline Numbering

I think I was too easily persuaded on this matter. As I think about it 
further, I think LO is treating the outline numbering wrongly. I've 
compared LO with LaTeX and LaTeX treats the heading numbering differently.

Let's keep it simple for my illustration. In LO, let's say I have three 
heading styles (Heading 1, Heading 2, and Heading 3). If I put them in 
order, I get (properly):

1. Heading 1
1.1 Heading 2
1.1.1 Heading 3

This corresponds to LaTeX's Section, Subsection, and Subsubsection 
environments, which appear as follows (again properly):

1. Section
1.1 Subsection
1.1.1 Subsubsection

But, if I switch the second and third headings, LO and LaTeX provide 
different results. In LO, I get

1. Heading 1
1.1.1 Heading 3
1.2 Heading 2

but, with LaTeX, I get,

1. Section
1.0.1 Subsubsection
1.1 Subsection

I think LaTeX's treatment is mathematically more correct. Until I actual 
use the second heading, it's value should remain "0", which is reflected 
in LaTeX's second example. But, LO gives it a value of "1" even though 
I've not yet used it. Thus, in LO, my first use of the second Heading is 
given a value of "2" as in 1.2, whereas in LaTeX, my first use of the 
second heading is given a value of 1 as in 1.1.

I think LaTeX has it right.

I tried changing the starting value of Heading 2 to "0", but that messes 
things up when I use the levels in order, so that's not the solution.

Funny thing is that I've just noticed this behavior. I don't recall 
seeing this happen in earlier versions of LO. I'm currently using 4.4.5.2.

In fact, I just loaded two LO documents, one an old one where the 
numbering acts like LaTeX, and a newer one, where the numbering acts 
like the current LO. My outline numbering settings are the same and my 
styles are similar (with different names). For the life of me I can find 
no setting between the two documents that is different that could 
explain the different style of outline numbering. I'll keep looking, but 
for now, it's just weird.

I've noticed other strange behavior with LO's outline numbering. 
Sometimes, the "Position" settings are in terms of the "width of the 
numbering." At other times, it is in terms of what is placed after the 
number, a space, tab, or nothing.

curiouser and curiouser.

Virgil

On 09/27/2015 03:55 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
> On 09/27/2015 06:42 AM, libreoffice-ml.mbourne@spamgourmet.com wrote:
> > I think skipping outline numbering levels, in this case from level 1 
> > (Heading 1) to level 6 (Outline 1) implicitly inserts the 
> > intermediate levels for numbering purposes. It's more obvious with 
> > styles which show all the numbering levels. e.g. if you were to 
> > insert a Heading 5 after the Heading 1, it is numbered 2.1.1.1.1, as 
> > if there were a 2.1, 2.1.1 and 2.1.1.1 in between. Thus the next 
> > Heading 2 inserted is 2.2:
> >   1. Heading 1
> >        1.1.1.1.1 Heading 5
> >        1.1.1.1.2 Heading 5
> >   2. Heading 1
> >        2.1.1.1.1 Heading 5
> >   2.2 Heading 2
> >
> > Mark.
> Thanks. That makes sense. So my problem was trying to combine heading 
> and outline styles in a single series of 10 outline levels. My outline 
> styles essentially became subordinate heading styles.
>
> Virgil


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