Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

Hi :)
Again the main point that Taanstafl was making is ignored.

He was not saying "you must fix my bug".  That has already been covered in
previous threads and previous bug-reports.

All he was saying was there was at least 1 example of a bug that was
introduced in "Fresh" (well introduced in "Still" back when that was
"Fresh").  Common sense, or experience with writing code suggests that it's
inevitably going to be the case.  "You can't make an omelette without
breaking eggs".

Trying to assert that eggs haven't been broken seems ridiculous.  Why not
just admit it!  Point out the omelette, not the broken eggs!!  Especially
don't try to claim the eggs haven't been broken!  Just point out that we
have more eggs in the fridge and now we have an omelette too.


Maybe we should rename "Still" to "Eggs" and change "Fresh" to "Omelette".
Both have advantages.  trying to say that "Omelette" is really unbroken
eggs seems daft to me.

Anyone else lost yet?
Regards from
Tom :)



On 1 October 2014 14:16, V Stuart Foote <VStuart.Foote@utsa.edu> wrote:

> @Charles, *,
>
> Tanstaafl wrote
> > On 10/1/2014 8:21 AM, Werner &lt;
>
> > wernerfbd@
>
> > &gt; wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On 10/1/2014 14:04, Tanstaafl wrote:
> > > > Hi Werner,
> > > >
> > > > This regression has already been discussed here, with essentially the
> > > > same result (fix it yourself, pay someone else to fix it, or shut up
> > > > about it)...
> > > That is not Sophie's view of it, see her response in the other thread.
> > >
> > > A regression can be discussed here, but it would definitely also need a
> > > issue/tracker/bug ticket.
> > >
> > > Can you point us to the issue you filed for it, then we could use it as
> > > a base for the discussion if LO deals with regressions correctly or not.
> >
> > I didn't file it (it was already filed), but it is:
> >
> > https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=76565
>
> Yes, and a patch was already been developed (wef 2014-08-17) and posted to
> current 4.4.0alpha0+ builds of master.
>
> Plenty of time to have been verified and then back-ported to 4.3 or even
> the
> final 4.2 build.  But neither has been done, which is a responsibility for
> affected users to advocate for. Especially corporate and business users
> that
> want the goodies, but then choose not to participate in the QA process.
> And
> those users are somehow surprised when features don't work as expected, or
> regressions are introduced.
>
> The user community has responsibility in moving an open source project like
> LibreOffice forward by being engaged during all development cycles. Test
> and
> test often, and provide feedback in the correct channel--the project
> Bugzilla and secondly these mail-list forums.
>
> Regards the Still, and Fresh, and Pre-release, and master development
> builds--not that complicated and necessary in a timed release development
> project that LibreOffice adopted when formed. You'll note that the project
> moves otherwise functional builds to legacy--End of Life--status shortly
> after final  project build.  The current Still branch 4.2 will move to that
> category next month!
>
> The nuance folks miss is that development effort and willingness/capability
> to correct issues is primarily out on the master branch.   Regressions ARE
> very important, but are best corrected where/when they are being
> introduced--to do that requires engagement.
>
> Stuart
>
>
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