Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!

Tom, I have to strongly disagree.

As I've pointed out, bullies flourish when they can act unseen. This is 
personality disordered behavior (if I may put on my professional hat for 
a moment). It's due to lack of appropriate internal controls to 
structure behavior. The solution that works is not to yield ground but 
to provide external structure. Put plainly, that is about push back. One 
doesn't need to get riled. _One just needs to get clear, then act._ His 
behavior is unacceptable. Period. (And that's putting it politely.)

The next person he does this to may be a 12 year old struggling to get a 
grip on the software and making a mess of it. You want to turn him loose 
to have at her? Really? I don't think you, and others, have really 
thought this through.

He knows he's being watched, and yet he acts as if there is no problem 
for him at all. Why? _Because there isn't_. That needs to change.

I suggest two solutions: he should be banished from the list. If he 
comes back, repeat as needed.

And, until action is taken, all inappropriate emails from him or anyone 
else should be forwarded to the list. "No cover for bullies," as I've 
already said.

I've dealt with people like this on other lists, in my neighborhood, at 
work (my boss!), and in adolescent treatment centers and mental 
hospitals. It's always the same drill. One warning, then you lower the 
boom, decisively. Someone WILL be in control: it's them or it us. We 
have to decide.

I DO expect an appropriate and effective response from this list, not 
some ineffectual roll-over.

Tom


On 05/04/2014 07:19 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> Various lists have had discussions about that sort of thing in general 
> and about the specific case.  It's a tricky one to handle but i figure 
> the best on-list way is to just not get riled by his on-list replies.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> On 4 May 2014 13:27, Tom Cloyd <tomcloydmsma@gmail.com 
> <mailto:tomcloydmsma@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Tom -
>
>
>     On 05/04/2014 05:34 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> >     Hi Tom :)
> >     Good answers to Urmas there.  Considerate, understanding and
> >     light-hearted.  Nicely done! :)
>     I was allowing for the possibility that he wasn't serious. Turns
>     out not to be true.
> >     I've almost never found 'professional' proprietary stuff to be
> >     any better than OpenSource.
>     My experience exactly.
> >     Indeed a new study by an independant security company found that
> >     OpenSource had slightly less errors per 1,000 lines of code. 
> >     There is also the usual faster response time to fixing issues due
> >     to even mere normal users being able to report issues quickly and
> >     fairly easily and perhaps even getting involved in solving the
> >     problem and discovering coding skills.
>     *Faster response time:* Yes. I've been running the latest alpha
>     build. My "vector M" nonsense problem is gone. But there was a
>     problem with row sorting crashing the program. I just installed
>     the very latest Master, on the advice of the dev replying to my
>     bug report. Now THAT problem appears to be gone. This is all very
>     cool.
>
>     *Getting involved: *Yes, also.**I'm learning the bug reporting
>     interface and protocol, in the process. Is easy enough. Looks like
>     I've found a way I can contribute, with my very limited time.
>     That, too, is very cool.
>
>     Now we just need to get right of the Urmas bullying bug and we'll
>     be all set. I'll be watching that one especially closely.
>
>     t.
>
> >     Regards from
> >     Tom :)
> >
> >
> >
> >     On 4 May 2014 00:39, Tom Cloyd <tomcloydmsma@gmail.com
> >     <mailto:tomcloydmsma@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >         No I didn't. It went fine. I've been using it all day. Some
> >         problems have arisen, but I'm working through them and trying
> >         to find the pattern so I can report them usefully.
> >
> >         t.
> >
> >         On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 5:08 PM, NoOp <glgxg@sbcglobal.net
> >         <mailto:glgxg@sbcglobal.net> <mailto:glgxg@sbcglobal.net
> >         <mailto:glgxg@sbcglobal.net>>> wrote:
> >
> >            On 05/02/2014 07:19 AM, Tom Cloyd wrote:
> >             > Stuart,
> >             >
> >             > Update and status report - good news! -
> >             >
> >             > 1. I've installed Version: 4.3.0.0.alpha1 Build ID:
> >             > 46cfcd5a05aa1d13fecd73f5a25b64b8d8dd6781.
> >
> >            Did you by chance experience any dependency errors during
> >         your install?
> >
> >            See:
> >            <https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7823>
> >            (Dependency errors with
> >         LibreOfficeDev_4.3.0.0.alpha1_Linux_x86-64_deb
> >            install)
> >
> >
> >
> >
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* Sleight of Mind blog: Sleightmind.com (mental health issues)
* Founder: Google+ Trauma and Dissociation Education and Advocacy community
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