Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!

Hi :)
I don't see how this mailing-list could stop anyone from writing private
emails to people who have written in to this mailing list.  We have to work
with what we have got.

I agree it might be a good idea to encourage people to forwards Urmas'
off-list remarks to somewhere but i'm not sure this list would be the best
place.  I'm not saying it definitely wouldn't be the best place, just that
there are pros and cons to doing so.  There is a "moderators list" and a
"postmasters" email address, but sending just to them would keep those
posts off this list and although that would be good in some ways it creates
potential problems in others.

If this mailing-list made it more difficult to respond to individuals than
to the whole list then that might reduce the potential for that sort of
behaviour but wouldn't eliminate it.
Regards from
Tom :)



On 4 May 2014 14:41, Tom Cloyd <tomcloydmsma@gmail.com> wrote:

>  Tom, I have to strongly disagree.
>
> As I've pointed out, bullies flourish when they can act unseen. This is
> personality disordered behavior (if I may put on my professional hat for a
> moment). It's due to lack of appropriate internal controls to structure
> behavior. The solution that works is not to yield ground but to provide
> external structure. Put plainly, that is about push back. One doesn't need
> to get riled. *One just needs to get clear, then act.* His behavior is
> unacceptable. Period. (And that's putting it politely.)
>
> The next person he does this to may be a 12 year old struggling to get a
> grip on the software and making a mess of it. You want to turn him loose to
> have at her? Really? I don't think you, and others, have really thought
> this through.
>
> He knows he's being watched, and yet he acts as if there is no problem for
> him at all. Why? *Because there isn't*. That needs to change.
>
> I suggest two solutions: he should be banished from the list. If he comes
> back, repeat as needed.
>
> And, until action is taken, all inappropriate emails from him or anyone
> else should be forwarded to the list. "No cover for bullies," as I've
> already said.
>
> I've dealt with people like this on other lists, in my neighborhood, at
> work (my boss!), and in adolescent treatment centers and mental hospitals.
> It's always the same drill. One warning, then you lower the boom,
> decisively. Someone WILL be in control: it's them or it us. We have to
> decide.
>
> I DO expect an appropriate and effective response from this list, not some
> ineffectual roll-over.
>
> Tom
>
>
> On 05/04/2014 07:19 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
>
>  Hi :)
>  Various lists have had discussions about that sort of thing in general
> and about the specific case.  It's a tricky one to handle but i figure the
> best on-list way is to just not get riled by his on-list replies.
>  Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> On 4 May 2014 13:27, Tom Cloyd <tomcloydmsma@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >  Tom -
> >
> >
> > On 05/04/2014 05:34 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> >
> >  Hi Tom :)
> >  Good answers to Urmas there.  Considerate, understanding and
> > light-hearted.  Nicely done! :)
> >
> >  I was allowing for the possibility that he wasn't serious. Turns out not
> > to be true.
> >
> >
> > I've almost never found 'professional' proprietary stuff to be any better
> > than OpenSource.
> >
> >  My experience exactly.
> >
> >  Indeed a new study by an independant security company found that
> > OpenSource had slightly less errors per 1,000 lines of code.  There is also
> > the usual faster response time to fixing issues due to even mere normal
> > users being able to report issues quickly and fairly easily and perhaps
> > even getting involved in solving the problem and discovering coding
> > skills.
> >
> >  *Faster response time:* Yes. I've been running the latest alpha build.
> > My "vector M" nonsense problem is gone. But there was a problem with row
> > sorting crashing the program. I just installed the very latest Master, on
> > the advice of the dev replying to my bug report. Now THAT problem appears
> > to be gone. This is all very cool.
> >
> > *Getting involved: *Yes, also. I'm learning the bug reporting interface
> > and protocol, in the process. Is easy enough. Looks like I've found a way I
> > can contribute, with my very limited time. That, too, is very cool.
> >
> > Now we just need to get right of the Urmas bullying bug and we'll be all
> > set. I'll be watching that one especially closely.
> >
> > t.
> >
> >   Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4 May 2014 00:39, Tom Cloyd <tomcloydmsma@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > No I didn't. It went fine. I've been using it all day. Some problems
> > > have arisen, but I'm working through them and trying to find the pattern so
> > > I can report them usefully.
> > >
> > > t.
> > >
> > >  On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 5:08 PM, NoOp <glgxg@sbcglobal.net <mailto:
> > > glgxg@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
> > >
> > >    On 05/02/2014 07:19 AM, Tom Cloyd wrote:
> > >     > Stuart,
> > >     >
> > >     > Update and status report - good news! -
> > >     >
> > >     > 1. I've installed Version: 4.3.0.0.alpha1 Build ID:
> > >     > 46cfcd5a05aa1d13fecd73f5a25b64b8d8dd6781.
> > >
> > >    Did you by chance experience any dependency errors during your
> > > install?
> > >
> > >    See:
> > >    <https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7823>
> > >    (Dependency errors with LibreOfficeDev_4.3.0.0.alpha1_Linux_x86-64_deb
> > >    install)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > Tom Cloyd, MS MA (LMHC, WA State)
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> Tom Cloyd, MS MA (LMHC, WA State)
> Cedar City / St. George, UT, U.S.A: (435) 272-3332
> * << tc@tomcloyd.com >> (email) << TomCloyd.com >> (website)
> * Sleight of Mind blog: Sleightmind.com (mental health issues)
> * Founder: Google+ Trauma and Dissociation Education and Advocacy community
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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