Re: Request for review: (Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: crash - crash - crash - crash. !@#$#@!)

Hi :)
+1
i agree that banning or booting is not as easy as it might seem.

I think that it's more difficult for a bully to be effective when
1.  the mailing list is supportive of individuals coming here and
2.  when the mailing list is clearly not of the same opinion as the bully

What doesn't help is when the mailing list gets bogged down in some
flame-war or has a big fight over the issues or when personal insults fly
to-and-fro.  When someone new sees insults flying in from both sides it's
difficult to see either side as (or any side) as being acceptable.

I'm not suggesting that we sweep this under the rug nor that we avoid the
issue nor pretend it doesn't exist.  It does exist and at the moment we are
lucky it is only 1 person.  Once MS starts to get seriously worried about
LO then history might repeat itself and we find ourselves swamped with many
more.  We already see that in the "Comments" sections under many articles,
in the press, about LibreOffice.

I'm not disagreeing with Tom or anyone else that has argued for banning and
other punitive measures.  On the contrary i think such measures could well
prove useful in many cases and might even work sometimes or at least
discourage such behaviour even if they are not always as effective as we
would hope for.  The more tools we have for dealing with this sort of
behaviour the better imo.
Regards from
Tom :)







On 4 May 2014 14:40, Jim Seymour <jseymour@linxnet.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 03 May 2014 13:12:47 -0600
> Tom Cloyd <tomcloydmsma@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Re: status of forum participant "Urmas" -
> >
> > I've examined the past 3 months' posts by this individual -
> > approximately 25% of them are slams of LO software or insults to
> > some individual participating in this forum.
>
> Yeah, he's pretty much regarded as a Microsoft shill.  I guess it
> doesn't occur to him his behaviour reflects badly on his love.
>
> > Why is this tolerated? Do we not have elementary behavioral
> > guidelines here? Shouldn't we have?
>
> They could boot him.  Then he could get a new email address somewhere
> else, and start all over again.  Wash, rinse, repeat.  People like
> him are dumber than a box of rocks wrt social issues, but tend to be
> very knowledgeable about how to be a PITA.
>
> >
> [snip]
> > I urge that this individual be suspended from participation in this
> > forum for at least a week. If there's another infraction, then make
> > it a month.
>
> Just put him in a set-and-forget filter on your email client and be
> done with it.  Hopefully nobody on the mailing list will have the bad
> sense to copy his nonsense to the mailing list, and Urmas will be
> gone from your life.
>
> Q: If an Urmas howls on the 'net and nobody sees him, does he matter?
> A: He never mattered in the first place, so the question is moot.
>
> Jim
>
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