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Hi :)
It's amazing that people have to learn how to drive and pass a test.
There are so few controls.  Usually a wheel or handle-bar or joystick
to make the vehicle turn.  Something to make it faster or slower.
Maybe something to make it go up or down.

So at most it's about 3 controls right?

Surely that should be even more intuitive or at least easier to spot
which control does what.  So why all the lessons?  It's crazy right?
Regards from
Tom :)

On 28 November 2013 20:59, A <> wrote:

On 11/28/2013 10:44 AM, Brian Barker wrote:

As far as I can see:

o Format | Default Formatting removes both direct formatting (to
characters or paragraphs) and formatting by character styles.
o The Apply Style drop-down applies paragraph styles, so you'd expect
"Clear formatting" there to reset the paragraph style to Default - and it
does.  But it also does the same as Format | Default Formatting as well.

For me at least, there's just too much to remember.  (You're in a maze of
twisty little passages.  You're in a twisty maze of little passages.  Now
you're in a twisty little passage with a maze.)  It's enough to make me lose
my mind.  I can't keep track of all these various intracacies.  It sure
would be nice to have some tool tips.

Also, if "Apply Style" applies paragraph styles and only paragraph styles,
why not have it say "Apply Paragraph Style" so as to make it obvious and
avoid the obscurity.

"Default Formatting" could either have a tool tip, or perhaps broken up into
separate functions that do one thing each.
i.e. 1) Remove formatting to characters.
2) Remove formatting to paragraphs.
3) Remove formatting by character styles.

That would provide more control.  I don't know if there's an advantage to it
- other than knowing precisely what function is being performed.

In addition, I do NOT expect "Clear formatting" to reset the paragraph style
to default.  I expect it to do 1,2,3 above.  i.e. Clear the formatting just
as it implies.  I would expect "Reset Paragraph Style to Default" to reset
the paragraph style to default.  There's far too much guesswork and intimate
knowledge required here.  It's all quite NON-obvious.  Sure, if one works
with it all the time one can learn these things - but I shouldn't have to be
an expert - it should be intuitive and if it's not intuitive it should be
spelled out in a tool tip.

I suspect that at least part of the problem here is that it is sometimes
difficult to see - especially with an inherited document - exactly how
formatting has been applied and consequently how it might be removed.

Oh yes and that hits the nail on the head.  Now that the problem has been
defined, the solution becomes easy.  Provide a way to SEE exactly how the
formatting has been applied - and a quick link shortcut to removing it!
Formatting/styles are - in my mind - similar to field codes.  They're hidden
formulas and such that could be turned on and off for viewing at will.

Just my opinions of course.

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