Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Linux hyphenation

I've tried both the Wubi install and a "proper dual boot system" of Windows 
and Ubuntu. It's been a long time, so I can't recall exactly why, but it 
seems that the Wubi installation gave me something that the true dual-boot 
system didn't. I seem to remember that, in the true dual boot system, I 
couldn't use LO in Ubuntu to access the documents in my Windows partition. 
There seemed to be greater separation between the Windows and Ubuntu sides 
of things. But, in the Wubi installation, I could easily access my Windows 
system by going through "File System/Host".

And, when I went to delete the "proper" Ubuntu partition, I was met with the 
horrible grub loader that I had to undo and fix before I could even boot 
from Windows again. So, I preferred Wubi, even though I knew that it wasn't 
a "real" Linux system.

My problem now is that I really want to like Linux. I don't want to keep 
relying on MS and Windows, etc., but every time I try Linux in any form, I 
come across some roadblock that prevents me from committing. I've tried 
several versions of Ubuntu, both Wubi and "proper" as Tom puts it, and I've 
tried the Windows installation of Mint 15 (both 32 and 62 bit). After a 
while, I realize I'm spending a ton of time just trying to make my Linux 
system catch up to what I can already accomplish in Windows. Even LO works 
better for me in Windows than in Linux. Simple things like getting my style 
list box to properly dock to one side of the screen works easily in Windows, 
but I could never get it to work properly in Ubuntu (but I could in Mint... 
go figure). And, I had some keyboard issues with my numeric keypad in both 
Mint and Ubuntu -- nothing major, but an irritation nonetheless.

I still have a Mint installation on a jump drive. For now, when I want to 
play, I'll just boot from that and gain more experience. Once I learn more 
then I may invest the time and effort into a "proper" Linux system.

Virgil



-----Original Message----- 
From: Tom Davies
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:45 AM
To: Virgil Arrington ; users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Linux hyphenation

Hi :)
Ahhh, the Wubi.  For most people it does work really well and for many years 
but just occasionally it runs into weird problems that just don't happen on 
a proper dual-boot system.

The Wubi is installed inside Windows and depends on MS Windows co-operating 
with the Ubuntu.  Various crucial systems such as the boot-loader and the 
file-system are basically MS systems instead of the proper Gnu&Linux ones. 
The Gnu&Linux ones are built to be stable.  Years ago several antivirus 
programs would inaccurately report various false-positives.  There are other 
distros which also have clever ways of installing inside Windows without 
having to resort to too many layers or emulators or virtual machines but the 
whole idea seems flawed to me.  MS are not renowned for co-operating with 
other systems.  Still, a lot of good work goes in and the systems are 
usually stable for most people but a few are unlucky without any obvious 
reason.

Sorry Virgil!
Apols and regards from
Tom :)





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From: Virgil Arrington <cuyfalls@hotmail.com>
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tuesday, 17 September 2013, 20:22
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Linux hyphenation


Unless anyone else is bothered by this behavior in the Linux LO, I'm letting
it go.

I just uninstalled my Ubuntu wubi install. I'm going to leave it for a while
before trying again. My Windows LO works fine, and so for now, I'll stay
here. I have another life I have to live.

Thanks to all who were interested in this issue.

Virgil

-----Original Message----- 
From: Virgil Arrington
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 1:28 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Linux hyphenation

On 09/15/2013 11:24 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
> OK, I went to Synaptic Package Manager and looked up "libhyphen".
>
> It was there as part of the Ubuntu packages.
> Maybe Mint did not install that package.
>
> So go to your package manager and look up and install that "Debian"
> package and see if that helps.
> My package was labeled "libhyphen0".
>
> Looking up "hyphen", I have the following [but not the entire list]
> installed:
> hyphen-en-us
> libhyphen0
> openoffice.org-hyphenation
>
> So go that route.
> Look up the packages in you package manager - I prefer to use Synaptic
> which Ubuntu no longer installs by default.  Then install them there.
>
> You might fix some of your issues.
>
> As I stated, Mint and I had problems with one if my network printers -
> it did not exist on the network - but would use it as a USB printer.
> Had no issues with Ubuntu 10.04 or 12.04.

Okay, here's what I've done.

1. I searched Synaptic for "libhyphen" and found the same files you
mentioned. Yet, LO doesn't recognize it.

2. I then uninstalled my Linux Mint. It was no big deal as I had a Bible
research program that wouldn't work with it anyway. (I won't necessarily
blame Mint, but I didn't want to have to chase down two Mint problems)

3. I installed Ubuntu 12.04 LTS using the Wubi installer. That installed
LO 3.5.x by default. (The Bible research program also worked.)

4. I checked LO 3.5.x, under Options/Language Settings/Writing Aids/ and
it had the Hunspell spellcheck module, but it did not have any modules
for Hyphenation, Grammar, or Thesaurus.

5. I then upgraded LO to 4.0.4.2 using the
"ppa:libreoffice/libreoffice-4-0" repository. That was a little weird as
I followed online instructions for upgrading to 4.0.5, but the closest I
got was 4.0.4.2. Oh, well.

6. I then installed the American English dictionary from the dictionary
extensions.

7. Once that was installed, I gained the OpenOffice Thesaurus module,
but still no Hyphenation or Grammar Checker modules.

8. Using Synaptic, I found all the same files you listed on your system.

9. Out of curiosity, I then noticed the packages listed at
<https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-4-0>. It
mentions the "hunspell" package and, immediately after, a "hyphen"
package (version 2.8.3-1~lucid1), but no "libhyphen" package. At this
point, I'm waaayyyy out of my techno comfort zone.

This has become a real head scratcher for me. For my actual work, I'm
still booting into Windows, but the OCD side of me wants to figure this out.

Virgil

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