[libreoffice-users] Re: Customizing Number Format of each level in "Writer->Tools->Outline Numbering"

On 07/25/2013 04:29 PM, Regina Henschel wrote:
> Hi Sina
> Sina Momken schrieb:
> > Let me show you what exact Outline Numbering I want using the example
> > below:
> >
> > Level    Example(desired output)    Associated Paragraph Style
> > 1     Chapter 3:        Chapter
> > 2      3.2-            Heading 1
> > 3       3.2.5-        Heading 2
> > 4        3.2.5.9-        Heading 3
> > 5         (b)        none
> > 6          Fig (3.12)    Fig Caption
> > 7           (3.27)        Formula
> > 8        Table (3.20)    Table Caption
> >
> > As you can see in the example above the '3' in "Fig (3.12)", "(3.27)"
> > and "Table (3.20)" is the chapter number at level 1.
> > [..]
> >
> > How can I achieve my desired output I mentioned in first example using
> > LO Writer?
>
> You do the outline numbering with Chapter, Heading 1 , ... with normal
> outline numbering. You need to define a paragraph style "Chapter" and
> alter the assignment between paragraph style and level in the outline
> numbering dialog.
>
> LibreOffice uses the field "Number range" for numbering in captions.
> Therefore these are not at all in the outline numbering. But when you
> insert a caption to a table or figure, you will see a Options-buttons.
> There you can tell LibreOffice to count newly for each chapter.
>
> The "caption" item in the context menu is only a shortened way to set a
> caption. You can also write your own caption inserting the field "Number
> range" manually. That will be the right way for numbering formulas.
>
> The Autotext FN puts the formula and the formula-numbering in a table. I
> would not use it, because it is not easily possible to move paragraphs,
> when the movement crosses a table. I would position the formula number
> using a tab. For display formulas in own paragraphs you can define a
> suitable paragraph style.
>
> The captions are normal paragraphs, so you can add the needed brackets
> manually as you need them.
>
> Each "Number range" will generate its own index later on.
>
> The numbers of the outline can be inserted using fields.
>
> Do not try to mimic the way things are done in Word, the concepts are
> different. But you can be sure, that you can write well formatted
> academic papers in LibreOffice.
>
> Kind regards
> Regina
Using LibreOffice internal captions or "Number range" has some problems
that MUST be solved to be used:

1. Cross-Reference in the text body: Assume you has inserted a new
"Number range" named "Fig" either using "Caption" or inserting manually.
Regardless of the need to manually correct brackets and the whole
format, when you want to insert the Fig number in your text using
Cross-reference, there is NO way to insert the whole Fig number while
preserving its format. For example if you has entered the text "Fig
(2.1) something" under a picture, there is no way to automatically
insert "Fig (2.1)" in your text using Cross-reference.
When using Cross-reference, after selecting Fig as the type, you can
insert the whole paragraph (i.e. "Fig (2.1) something") by selecting
"Insert reference to = Reference" or you can even insert "Fig (2.1" by
selecting "Insert reference to = Category and Number" but you can never
insert the well-formatted text "Fig (2.1)".
The ability to cross-reference a caption is very very important, since I
can not insert Fig numbers manually because in that case I must update
all caption numbers in text whenever they've changed in the caption.

2. Insertion of a frame when Right-click->Caption: Using "caption" item
in context-menu is very easy, but unfortunately it places both the image
and it caption in a frame. Using frame can be good to maintain image and
its caption in a page, but I don't like it because unfortunately the
frame resizes the image! Actually some of the images I've inserted are
very big and I intentionally resized them to be wider than width of the
paragraph. Also having images wider than the paragraph maybe not
standard, but if I keep them smaller their details may become unreadable.
Is there any way to not insert a frame or not resize the image after
insertion of frame when we're using "context-menu->caption"?


There are also some LESS SEVERE problems in using "Number range" or
"caption":

A. Insertion of a well-formatted caption: Unfortunately there is no
short and easy way to insert a well-formatted caption in Writer. Anytime
I insert a caption I have to manually correct the brackets and other
things I need. I wished there was a way to do so automatically.

B. Using "Number range" is not as easy as using a predefined Numbering:
When you use a predefined Numbering you don't need to worry about
numbering format and correct it anytime.
Plus you can associate that predefined numbering to a paragraph style
and whenever you use that style for your caption, the proper numbers and
their constant text will appear as a special kind of numbering without
the need to manually insert them.
Using a Numbering like those in "Outline Numberings" also gives the
option to precisely determine Position of each numbering which is more
accurate than manually placing a "Number range" before our caption text.

So do you think these problems or at least the first serious problems
can be solved when using "Number Ranage" or "caption"?

Best,
Sina






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