Hi :)
Has the issue been resolved well enough? IE8 was discovered to have a large
number of extremely serious vulnerabilities around the time of the original
posting to the extent that MS released patches outside of their usual "Patch
Tuesday" schedule.
Opera is better, faster and safer. Firefox seems to be the most popular
web-browser at the moment. It's also faster, safer and better. Gaming
sites report something like 80% of on-line gamers at their site use Firefox.
Chrome is shed loads faster so i would have expected Gamers to use that
more. Generally i would recommend having 2 web-browsers so that if the main
one you use goes wonky then you can use the other but i have only ever had
problems with IE. All the rest run for years without bumping into problems.
However, it might be worth contacting the Websites Team, i think
Websies@Global.LibreOffice.Org
to let them know about "Internet Explorer" issue.
Of course MS are unhappy about the existence of LibreOffice, OpenOffice and
the rest so my guess is that they will start to put resources into scaring
people away from their competition. Presumably using tactics similar to the
ones that landed them in court over issues such as "The browser wars"
(really talking about web-browsers there, not file-browsers or any other
sorts of browsers) or the Rtf court case. In both cases they were found
guilty and got a slap on the wrist which they shrug off and work-around.
We should put some resources into fixing simple things, such as the
certificate, if we can but we can't jump at every little piece of FUD they
try to throw in our path. They have a large fan-base that seem quite happy
to spread all sorts of nonsense without MS being responsible.
Bob Power wrote
Works ok in Opera ( but then I have no idea what the settings are there
)...
Probably a good plan to stick with Opera. During it's court case against MS
a lot of their resources went into the court-case. Now that is over their
resources are going to be diverted back into developing their web-browser.
My guess is that they might develop fast enough to over-take Firefox in the
next few years. It's a good solid web-browser and has the advantage that
not so many people use it. Yet.
Bob Power wrote
With IE 8 ;
StartCom is in my trusted root certification authorities list.
IE 8 was compromised quite severely at around the time of the posting. MS
tried to downplay it and suggested that the average home user or small
office was probably safer than the nuclear research facilities that got
affected because home users can switch on he MS Firewall. They implied that
nuclear facilities probably can't afford a £20 router/firewall or wouldn't
have thought of security.
Bob Power wrote
I then checked via http://www.digicert.com/help/ ssl certificate checker
and it shows common name LibreOffice.org all ok etc.
So I suppose it could be IE 8 not knowing what to do with this particular
type of cert - I'm going to switch to FireFox soon
So the main organisations behind issuing certificates agree that the
LibreOffice ones are legit? It's only MS that are claiming they aren't?
Switching away from IE is a great idea. you will probably find you have
less security problems and less slow-downs as a result. opera and Firefox
are about equal. Firefox is more popular and more widely used at the moment
but that is not necessarily a good reason to prefer it to Opera. The main
thing is to get away from IE as much as possible. I only use it for updates
from microsoft.com, all of which are for "security" problems with MS
products.
Bob Power wrote
Suggestions ;
1.
For some users with old stuff like me - XP / IE 8 etc - who are the most
likely to be looking for alternatives to MS Office - this will be
off-putting ( it will scare some people ) - and LibreOffice will lose some
potential converts.
People that stick with IE8 are going to find the internet an increasingly
dangerous place. MS wants people to buy their new OSes and scaring them
into it is a standard salesman tactic. There is even a name for the tactic.
LibreOffice/OpenOffice always loses potential new users due to FUD but that
doesn't affect TDF's or Apache's profit/loss or income/expenditure. It's
only the users that lose out and they might have good reasons to try LO/OO
again in a couple of years. There is no need for a hard sell or to force
people into 'buying into' something they have been made afraid of. Let them
find the problems with MS Office, such as huge costs and poor security, and
eventually they will retry alternatives.
Bob Power wrote
2.
Some install notes on the help pack - I installed it but it doesn't show
up unless you change a setting in language settings - I found this with a
web search but it would be better if it was in release notes or something
near the download.
The built-in help packs are not as good as the guides
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
Unfortunately, due to various misunderstandings and timing issues, the
translators teams work at their own version of the English help-packs and
then translate that, rather than just translating the Guides. The
Documentation Team always needs new people because people quickly become
quite knowledgeable in there and soon lose their "noob perspective".
Probably best to start as proof-reader or reviewer.
Bob Power wrote
One last thing - I'm curious as to why help is over https and not just
http ? ( https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Welcome_to_the_Writer_Help )
https is more secure than http. It's still flawed but a lot less so than
http. The extra "s" stands for secure or security. Are 'older' MS products
making it difficult to access https and forcing people into using the less
secure protocol? Hmmm, interesting.
All the above are my own personal viewpoints and nothing to do with TDF (who
keep threatening to remove me from these lists).
Regards from
Tom :)
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