Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] where's the accessibility?

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On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Hi :)
> I think that link didn't work.  Well, it didn't for me anyway.  It just
> gave me a search-engine list of articles about Java.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
> > From: anne-ology <laginnis@gmail.com>
> > To: Tom <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk>
> > Cc: Stuart <VStuart.Foote@utsa.edu>; Users@global.libreoffice.org
> > Sent: Sunday, 30 December 2012, 21:00
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] where's
> the accessibility?
> >        Here's a listing of alternative java programs -
> http://www.techsupportalert.com/search/google/java?query=java&cx=partner-pub-4337260311855789%3A5365410881&cof=FORID%3A10&sitesearch=&safe=high
> >           along with discussion from various users.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:24 AM, V Stuart Foote
> > <VStuart.Foote@utsa.edu>wrote:
> >
> > Tom,
> > >  Probably, I'm pretty certain this issue has actually been with us since
> > >  the Java JRE 1.6 -> JRE 1.7 crossover. It impacts usability with AT
> > because
> > >  large segments of the GUI are no longer functional with screen and
> brail
> > >  readers under JRE 1.7's Java Accessibility API even though the JAB is
> > >  appears to be delivering identical roles and obejcts.
> > >
> > >  For now, rolling back to a JRE 1.6 and its more functional JAAPI may be
> > >  the best suggestion for LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice users in
> need of
> > >  AT.  The Java dependency may eventually be dropped, depending on where
> > >  things go with BASE and HSQLDB and implementing a non-Java
> accessibility
> > >  bridge based AT for Windows, i.e.an IAccessible2 implementation or
> > >  possibly an AT-SPI2 port.
> > >
> > >  Question beside the workaround of using a JRE 1.6, is if there is much
> > >  developer and TDF Board desire to repair AT and possibly BASE for use
> with
> > >  JRE 1.7 and a more current HSQLDB build.
> > >
> > >  Stuart
> > >
> > >
> > >  From: Tom Davies [tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk]
> > >  Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 10:45 AM
> > >  To: Users@Global.LibreOffice.Org
> > >  Cc: V Stuart Foote
> > >  Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] where's the accessibility?
> > >
> > >  Hi :)
> > >  Should the devs be made aware of problems with the newer release of
> Java
> > >  (again)?
> > >
> > >  Each new release of Java creates more problems and each is soon found
> to
> > >  have more security issues so another new one needs to be released
> quickly.
> > >   It's a 3rd party product that is difficult to track.
> > >
> > >  Regards from
> > >  Tom :)
> > >
> > >
> > >  From: V Stuart Foote <VStuart.Foote@utsa.edu>
> > >  To: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org
> > >  Sent: Saturday, 29 December 2012, 16:13
> > >  Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] where's the accessibility?
> > >
> > >  Simon,
> > >
> > >  There appears to be a change in the JRE 1.7 and JAB 2.0.3 that is
> reducing
> > >  the fidelity of the Java Accessibility API rendering of both
> LibreOffice
> > >  and
> > >  OpenOffice.  This is affecting both NVDA and Jaws screen readers.
> > >
> > >  I've been unable to find any Oracle documentation on API changes from
> > the
> > >  2.02 to 2.03  JAB or JAAPI, but something is definitely changed.
> Reviewing
> > >  the JAB delivered document structure with JavaMonkey shows the 2.02
> > >  rendering to be identical with the 2.0.3 rendering--but with JRE 1.7
> its
> > >  JAAPI appears to process the result differently and does not fully
> render
> > >  the results in either screen reader.
> > >
> > >  Are you able to roll back to JRE 1.6 and a JAB 2.0.2 installation  and
> > >  retest the issues you've had with LibreOffice 3.6.4? And otherwise
> > asses AT
> > >  usability with the earlier Java runtimes?
> > >
> > >  Downloads needed to roll back are here:
> > >
> > >  JRE 1.6u38
> > >  <
> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre6u38-downloads-1877409.html
> > >  >
> > >  JWin.exe installer for JAB 2.0.2 <
> > >  http://empowermentzone.com/JWin_setup.exe>
> > >
> > >
> > >  Stuart

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