Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 3 new "very large" English dictionaries are now online

On 11/24/2012 02:41 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
> On 2012-11-24 1:14 AM Jay Lozier wrote:
> > On 11/24/2012 01:23 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
> > > It is not a personal argument. It is a matter of principal
> > What principal?
>
> Principle. Stupid typo.
>
> > > Taking someone's work without giving attribution for it is 
> > > plagiarism. Period
> > I think you do not what plagiary is. 
>
> I know what plagiarism is.
No you do not! You are confusing citation with plagiary.
> > It was always stated that the lists were compiled from a variety of 
> > unnamed sources. The original work is the location and compilation 
> > from these lists. The issue is not whether the lists are credited but 
> > what is the actual claim. that determines plagiary.
>
> Try using that argument in an university essay or an academic paper.
Except this is not an academic setting nor are the lists being published 
in an academic journal. Scholarly citation is used to show what the 
previous work has covered, to point possible weaknesses in methodology, 
gaps of knowledge, etc. so that other researchers can review the cited 
work and its relevance to the current research.

Plagiary is not the lack of citations but claiming the work of others as 
one's own. I can cite as much as I want and still commit plagiary - they 
are two separate and to large extent independent issues. In an academic 
setting both are critical but in a none academic setting citing prior 
work is often not a critical issue but plagiary is a major issue in 
either sphere.
> Most word lists I've looked at, including the LibreOffice 
> spellcheckers, are copyrighted. An usual condition for the reuse of 
> them is that attribution be given.
I have no idea what the copyright status of the original works are and 
neither do you. Also, many people use Creative Commons (copyleft) to 
release works and the attribution requirements are determined by the 
author(s), some may not require attribution.
> > > That is the minor point about this miserable excuse of a spell checker.
> > >
> > > The main point is that this word list is complete pile of shite and 
> > > worthless as a Canadian English spell checker. I pity anyone who 
> > > actually uses it and ends up using it. They will end up with a lot 
> > > of misspelled words.
> > The issue is what do the sources say having lived in the Toronto 
> > suburbs (Buffalo, NY) my observation was there were many American 
> > spellings used in informal documents. Official documents tended to 
> > follow more closely UK spellings than US.
>
> No. The issue is what is the correct standard spelling for Canadian 
> English. Some words follow the UK spellings, others the US spellings. 
> And there are uniquely Canadian words.
>
> > > If some bloody wanker want to waste his time compiling a worthless 
> > > compilation of words let him.
> > >
> > > However, to pretend it is a usable spell checker for Canadian 
> > > English is reprehensible. Any promotion of it as such should be 
> > > expunged from all LibreOffice web pages, and it should be denounced 
> > > on all lists and forums


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Jay Lozier
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