On 10/15/2012 11:45 AM, Tim Deaton wrote:
I haven't tried StarBasic, but in the past did use VBA for
Applications in Excel and Access. Personally, because of the danger
of malicious mischief, I think having something that can only do
things within your own product would be a VERY good thing. If I
understood Andreas correctly, that's the way StarBasic works. So I'd
say fix the bugs and don't change its mission.
Then, if you need something that interacts with other things outside
of LO, use another tool designed for that, and make sure LO safeguards
adequately protect against the possibility of mischief.
The problem with any macro is the possibility of it accessing parts of
the OS that could allow for someone to inject malware into the system.
This issue is actually independent of the macro language. I remember
several VBA macro malware from about 2000 being a major problem; partly
because of MS Office at the time default of executing any macro in a
file and the relative newness of the Internet and email to most users.
How LO and MSO currently protect is to not allowing
unverified/unvalidated/uncertified macros from running by default.
On 10/15/2012 8:38 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:
Am 15.10.2012 13:31, Tom Davies wrote:
No-one is suggesting dropping Star Basic! That would be a huge
nightmare for many people i'm sure.
I was just curious what might be better. A quick look at what
languages can be used for macros in LO reveals 4 choices; LO Basic,
'best'. Are all 4 really well implemented in LO? I guess "LO
Basic" is the Star Basic being referred to in this thread?
I think Andreas was just suggesting that choosing to use Star Basic
is not the best choice. However one of the great things about
OpenSource is that you do get choices. We can all disagree about
almost everything and still end up co-operating with each other even
if we didn't want to.
Outside of IT choice is usually seen as a good thing. Many
countries see democracy as good and ostensibly give a choice of who
you can vote for to rule. In shops people would be outraged if
there was nothing else to buy except baked beans. People expect to
be able to buy a wide range of diferent products from different
companies and for it all to work together well enough. Somehow IT
seems to demand dictatorships and freedom FROM choice rather than
freedom OF choice. We don't all do the same things and even if we
did we probably wouldn't do them the same way so it's fairly insane
to expect 1 product and 1 company to be the only thing worth using.
I was just curious about other people's choices to help me
understand more about a subject i know little about.
StarBasic is a separate lingo implemented to call the API of this
particular software only. It can not do anything outside the scope of
the office. It comes with a few convenience features related to this
particular API and the code is easier to be stored within office
documents. It does not include any math library beyond triangular
functions and basic arithmetics. It handles arrays in the most
complicated ways, it does not know any hashes, it has far too many bugs
and short comings, it is extremely complex and awkward (Null, Nothing,
Empty, Missing are different types of the same).
Basic is a 100% procedural lingo talking to an strictly object oriented
API which is the reason why you can not write any extensions in Basic.
MS Office and this office are the last resorts of this extinct lingo of
the MS dominated 90ies.
The alternatives are full featured, popular and mature programming
languages with dozends of modules to program anything you want.
A little bit of glue code makes them UNO compatible, callable from
within the office suite (Tools>Macros), from the command line and as UNO
components as well. Plain souce code files are much easier to maintain
and a programmer can use whatever source code editor he wants (the Basic
editor is no more than a cheap plastic toy).
All the object oriented languages can be used to write seamlessly
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