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I do not know about him but since my laptop has Ubuntu 11.xx on it and the dual boot loader shows Debian instead of Ubuntu, there is issues there.

Most people use Ubuntu, instead of Debian, but since Ubuntu comes from Debian, but is made "easier to use", I thing some people just group them together. Mint seems to be based on Ubuntu, but I have seen info on their side that they have Debian based versions as well, skipping Ubuntu as a middle step.

He did state "family". So I thing he meant the distros based on Ubuntu or Debian. Well at least they use the same install files.

I use Ubuntu 10.04 LTS for my default desktop [using it now]. I have a Vista laptop that dual boots to Ubuntu 11.xx. I do not know if I have updated it to 11.10 or not. That is the system I used to test out Ubuntu's new environments, which I do not like as much as 10.04. Hopefully when I try 12.04, it will be more like 10.04 for my needs.

On 04/08/2012 07:01 PM, Jonathan Schultz wrote:
Noob-friendly "gateway" distros such as Ubuntu/Debian family are
great for starting out with Gnu&Linux but once you get into tweaking
things yourself you might enjoy giving Arch or Slackware a try.

I know we all have our preferences for distros but I'm curious why you put Ubuntu and Debian in the same basket. Apart from the fact that Ubuntu is built on Debian they seem to be quite different and aimed at quite different users.

I recommend Ubuntu to friends and family who don't have the patience, motivation or experience to set things up manually. I use Debian and tweak it extensively. I like the fact that it's almost identical on i386 and arm architectures, the quality control is very high, and knowing it well helps me when I am called upon to fix broken Ubuntu installations. I guess the attention to quality control and integration is why the Debian distro managers tend to tweak the upstream packages. Occasionally I download a package from an upstream distributor (like now!) but it rarely gives me much satisfaction.

Anyway about to investigate further what's breaking libreoffice for me.


There are a lot of distros in between the 2 extremes.  Slackware
usually tries to do the least amount of tweaking for most packages
but apparently Arch has better documentation to help set the whole
thing up.  If i went this route i would dual-boot with Ubuntu/Debian
for a while by installing Arch or Slackware on a new partition.  I
don't think i would go this route at all tho.  I prefer sticking with
Ubuntu as articles appear in fairly mainstream media about it and i
bump into people that are using it.

Regards from Tom :)

--- On Sun, 8/4/12, Jonathan Schultz<>  wrote:

From: Jonathan Schultz<> Subject: Re:
[libreoffice-users] Some documents make libreoffice-writer crash To: Date: Sunday, 8 April, 2012, 5:26

Presumably you copied the old User Profile to the new place to get
your previous settings and Extensions back?

Yes, did that and it worked fine. I also do some strange things like
replace the dictionary files with symbolic links into my working
directories so that they get shared and synchronised between my
different devices.

You can always try the repo version another time and then perhaps
do a parallel install after that maybe.

Since I noticed that the debian testing repository is allegedly the
same version as TDF's (3.4.6-602) I tried using it but the problem
came back. So I'll stick with TDF's version for now and wait for a
new release.

Cheers, Jonathan

from Tom :)

--- On Sun, 8/4/12, Jonathan Schultz<>   wrote:

From: Jonathan Schultz<>  Subject: Re:
[libreoffice-users] Some documents make libreoffice-writer crash
To: Date: Sunday, 8 April, 2012, 1:11

You might have already tried this but it looks like you didn't
mention it.  Can you download the TDF's official version instead
of using one from the repos?〈=en-GB

I have tried it now, and it works! Thank you very much. It messed
with my desktop integration a little and put the configuration
files in a different place, but when I'd worked that out it all
looked good.

I didn't bother with the parallel installation though, actually
didn't notice that you'd shown me that link until it was too late.
I guess I can go back to the debian distro when they get 3.4.6?

Annoyingly the main downloads page tries to give me the .Rpm
instead of the .Deb but also it lets you choose the more stable
3.4.6 instead of the 3.5.2.

It worked for me, ie offered me the .deb installation.

Cheers, Jonathan

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