Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer

Hi noibs,

noibs schrieb:
> I have no illusions that I'm going to win this argument; however, I use the
> visible margins in two ways:
>
> 1. When deciding when to add a manual page break, I need to exactly how far
> until the end of the main page, excluding the space occupied by the footer.
> Let's say I'm getting ready to begin a third-level heading.  Depending upon
> the visible space near the bottom of the page, I might decide to begin that
> section on the next page.

Let LO decide it. You format your third-level heading with the style 
"Heading 3". It has the setting "Keep with next paragraph". So it will 
never happen, that the heading is on one page and the following 
paragraph on the next page. If you want that the paragraph has at least 
e.g. 4 lines on the bottom of the page, than set the orphan control to 
4, or more extreme use the setting "do not split paragraph". With such 
settings the layout remains fine, if you insert or delete something 
before this third-level heading.

  Right now, I can't accurately guage that space,
> especially since my footer has some blank space above the text.   If I'm
> beginning a Level 2 heading, I tend to start it on a new page unless there's
> about 2 inches at the bottom of a page.

You can see the exact space in the vertical ruler and you get a 
delimiter line for the footer, when you hover the footer area with the 
mouse. But as mentioned above, there is no need to insert manual page 
breaks for that reason.

> 2. When adding any kind of graphical object to a Writer document, I
> sometimes manually expand the size of the object (proportionately) to be as
> large as the width of the page.   I can keep enlarging the size until it's in
> the margins of the page--but I won't know that with LO 3.5 because I can't
> see the margins.  This is a huge issue for me, because I embed many
> graphical objects (usually GDI Metafile objects from spreadsheets) in Writer
> documents and I often want them to be as large as the printed width of the
> page.  If you stop allowing expansion of graphical objects past the margins,
> then this issue would be taken care of.

You find all you need in Right click graphic > "Picture" > dialog page 
"Type". Mark "Follow textflow", Mark "Keep ratio", set width to 
"relative" and value to 100%.

> Just because certain individuals don't make use of certain user-interface
> features in both applications and operating systems doesn't mean view that
> issue in the same way.
>
> Further, my question is still valid--why should a long-time user-interface
> feature be completely eliminated as compared to making it a preference
> setting?  I could make the argument that was made to me (justify why I use
> this)--I don't use about 70% of all preference settings in LibreOffice.

My question was not intended to make you defend, but a simple question 
what you do with this lines, because they are only visual and have no 
function like snapping or so.

> Thus, let's eliminate these unless each person can justify why they use
> them.  How would that be?  I'm not trying to be obnoxious, but it's pretty
> insulting when you've been doing serious writing for about 30 years and then
> get a question like this.

30 years ago I used a typewriter with hard return at every line end ;)

> Frankly, I view the elimination of visible margins as part of the dumbing
> down of user interfaces that I'm seeing in Mac OS Lion, Ubuntu 11.10, and
> now LO.  It's the "let's make it pretty to look at even if if compromises
> the usefulness" school of thought.  Clearly, LO Writer is not as pretty to
> look at with margin guides showing.  But, for me, it's more useful.
> C'mon--this is a "View" menu option if there ever was one.

Perhaps you write a feature request to get such switch and/or write to 
libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org to discuss the feature with 
the developers? Please, don't get me wrong. I'm not against a switch to 
let the user decide, whether to show the border lines or not. But 
discussing here will not make it appear.

Kind regards
Regina


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