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Hi :)
I agree that it would be great to have the option of choosing the "page view" as i think it's 
called in MS Office rather than being forced into whatever fad people happen to want to force you 
into.  Whaat?  MS more configurable than OpenSource?? lol
Regards from
Tom :)

--- On Tue, 14/2/12, noibs <> wrote:

From: noibs <>
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer
Date: Tuesday, 14 February, 2012, 19:17

I have no illusions that I'm going to win this argument; however, I use the
visible margins in two ways:

1. When deciding when to add a manual page break, I need to exactly how far
until the end of the main page, excluding the space occupied by the footer. 
Let's say I'm getting ready to begin a third-level heading.  Depending upon
the visible space near the bottom of the page, I might decide to begin that
section on the next page.  Right now, I can't accurately guage that space,
especially since my footer has some blank space above the text.  If I'm
beginning a Level 2 heading, I tend to start it on a new page unless there's
about 2 inches at the bottom of a page.

2. When adding any kind of graphical object to a Writer document, I
sometimes manually expand the size of the object (proportionately) to be as
large as the width of the page.  I can keep enlarging the size until it's in
the margins of the page--but I won't know that with LO 3.5 because I can't
see the margins.  This is a huge issue for me, because I embed many
graphical objects (usually GDI Metafile objects from spreadsheets) in Writer
documents and I often want them to be as large as the printed width of the
page.  If you stop allowing expansion of graphical objects past the margins,
then this issue would be taken care of.  

Just because certain individuals don't make use of certain user-interface
features in both applications and operating systems doesn't mean view that
issue in the same way.  

Further, my question is still valid--why should a long-time user-interface
feature be completely eliminated as compared to making it a preference
setting?  I could make the argument that was made to me (justify why I use
this)--I don't use about 70% of all preference settings in LibreOffice.
Thus, let's eliminate these unless each person can justify why they use
them.  How would that be?  I'm not trying to be obnoxious, but it's pretty
insulting when you've been doing serious writing for about 30 years and then
get a question like this.

Frankly, I view the elimination of visible margins as part of the dumbing
down of user interfaces that I'm seeing in Mac OS Lion, Ubuntu 11.10, and
now LO.  It's the "let's make it pretty to look at even if if compromises
the usefulness" school of thought.  Clearly, LO Writer is not as pretty to
look at with margin guides showing.  But, for me, it's more useful. 
C'mon--this is a "View" menu option if there ever was one.

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