[libreoffice-users] Re: Re: strikethrough feature

Hi Johnny,

Thanks for the comeback; it's handy to get slapped with a reminder now & 
then about English not being a poster's first language. It wasn't obvous to 
me at all so you're doing pretty darned good.
   I am of the opinion your "problem" is a small one but there are still 
some things that might help you out, so I'll address those where I can.

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In news:CADo7T4e+d1ZpcaGMuh_w2-cWMhDR+TRD2sPBq59-PbkqJUzodA@mail.gmail.com,
Johnny Rosenberg <gurus.knugum@gmail.com> typed:
> 2011/8/27 Twayne <TWAYNE@twaynesdomain.com>:
> > > This is the LibreOffice users' list. It's not a real
> > > support. We are
> > > just users who help each other out. You can ask
> > > questions and you can
> > > reply to other people's question if you like.

True. The NNTP news group at gmane.com contains the same messages as are in 
the List and as long as we remember to add the e-mail address to you, also 
shows up in the List. The newsgroup's full NNTP newsgroup-name is
gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user
if you'd like to compare it to the list.
   A real mail reader like OE6 or Mozilla Thunderbird and many others, also 
free, are best for reading newsgroups with. From the Headers of your post, 
you appear to be using Google to reach the newsgroups and that's probably 
the real source of any lost messages you mentioned.

> Well, I don't think my comment was meant for you, but
> maybe I totally misunderstand what you are saying here
> (English is of course not my native language, that's why
> it look very strange sometimes).

That's OK. Your post was positioned such that it looked like a post to me, 
though when you make posts, unless you say so, everyone can get and read 
your post and respond to it. It's not unusual to get responses from more 
than one person.

> I guess I should have written bcouldb instead of
> bshouldb or something, I don't know.

That's not a problem IMO, but here is something that IS important if view of 
your post here.
1. If English isn't your native language, then you should say so in your 
post so that the answers can be kept simpler and use more easily understood 
words.
2. Have you checked to see if there is a list of newsgroup in your native 
language? If so, that might be a better place to ask simple questions such 
as this one was.
   I suspect you have the answer you need by now, right?

> Anyway, I have always said that if someone is not
> subscribed it's not my problem that he or she doesn't
> receive my replies.

IMO (in my opinion), that's an error in your thinking. People not getting 
your responses should put up a mental flag for you that something is not 
right.
    Also, when people are complaining that they don't get your response, 
especially if it's more than one person, then you should start by assuming 
there is a problem at your end. I suspect, but can't be sure of course, that 
it's Google messing you up; it usually is. There are a lot of people who 
won't accept mails from Google Groups and some won't accept ANYthing from 
Google. They even have rules set up that simply drop anything from Google.

Although I'm not sure how you're responding, if you respond to the mailing 
list, it will show up on NNTP (the gmane newsgroup). If you're using Google 
to read newsgroups, then I understand: delivery problems are the norm there 
and it's easy to let a response go astray, too. Google is simply not a good 
newsgroup reader. And the mailing list fills your Inbox wth mails that have 
nothing to do with your original post. In MY opinion, news readers are great 
for reading mail.

 People didn't like that kind of
> attitude, so now I changed that; I even added that
> address to the bTo:b field, to make sure that my reply
> would reach the right person.
> I guess I now need to find a third way of doing it, but
> I'm not sure what's left. Well, I know one thing: Not
> replying at all. That's quick and easy and doesn't annoy
> anyone. I think I'll go with that until I find something
> better. Thanks for your advice.

That's you choice, of course, but if you enjoy discussing problems and 
getting help from others, you'll find it very handy.

> > No, not for me. I have more to do than scan mailing
> > lists looking for my post responses when I can have them
> > pointed out to me automatically and all grouped
> > together. When I have a question, I DO NOT CARE to see
> > other answers; I might if  I were a newbie and had lots
> > of time avalable, but I don't.
> > This is only my opinion, but some of the advice you gave
> > leaves a little to be desired.
>
> I'm not even sure it's right to call it advice. I just
> throw my crap
> at the nearest place, obviously.

If I understand what you mean, that's a mistake to do that. If you have a 
legitimate news reader, then amongst other things, you hace have it show you 
ONLY responses to you and nothing else, organize your original message on 
top with all the responses underneath it in the order received or any other 
way you'd like to see it.  Or you can look at all your messages at once, 
each with your original at the top and responses to it underneath, just to 
mention a few things news readers will do for you like mark read messages, 
hide read messages for now, and many other things.

> > > > when word processing in microsoft office (doc or xls)
> > > > there is a strikethrough feature that allows you to
> > > > mark words that you want to delete but stIll keep them
> > > > in the text, e.g. strikethrough.
> > > > I was not able to find this feature in Libre Office
> > > > (also not in former Open Office). Is there such a
> > > > feature? If not I suggest to add it next to the bold,
> > > > italic and underline feature.

> I guess I totally misunderstood what's bplain textb. I
> thought it was the same as bnot formattedb text. Only
> enter text, not formatted in any way. Everything I type
> is plain UTF-8 text, which is 8 bits in the most common
> cases, but a lot of characters requires two or even three
> bytes. Are you really suggesting to use 7-bit text?

Yes, I was. But you may have some special cases where it won't work for you 
easily. Myself, I read all text in Plain Text settings. If I should need to 
see the 8 bit content and know who sent it, then a simple ALT-Shift-H 
switches the view to 8 bit. Almost nothing anyone sends me such as malware 
cannot execute in 7 bit text. In fact, some places will warn you and then 
ignore you if you don't use Plain Text.
   But I see you have:

Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

Mime is friendly to malware and a hole for letting it in. It's best not to 
use it on newsgroups.
   You have Plain text set, and then UTF-8, parts of which are not friendly 
to each other. Also UTF8 does not use the same codes for the same characters 
all the time. You can see evidence of that earlier in your response to me. 
Base64 is also unfriendly to Plain Text settings.

 In
> that case you can only write in English, so what about
> when I write to the LibreOffice mailing list in my
> language?

Not true. The language you write in is the one you have loaded. Simply 
switch the language to your native when you need it. I have many Japanese 
friends I converse with who have both English and kanji or whatever it is 
called, loaded and switch from one to the other quickly.

 Three of our letters in our alphabet doesn't
> exist in 7-bit text, and they are VERY commonly used in
> my language.

There are MANY characters in utf8 that don't exist in Plain Text. But to 
post to groups and lists, etc., you should be using Plain Text. It results 
in very small files to be transmitted and prevents problems for others using 
Plain Text or worse, those whose readers display everything onscreen. Such 
mails can become very difficult for a person to read on their screen.

 And with 7 bits none of the eastern Asian
> countries, like China, Japan and more, could write to a
> mailing list. For me it
> is UTF-8 or nothing, so I guess I just have to
> unsubscribe to all mailing lists then. Well, I could do
> that. It might actually be a very good idea; I might even
> get some real things done.

I don't understand why you say that, because it's not true. The List will 
accept your Plain Text just fine and prefers it when you consider the amount 
of data that must be stored on their disks. We must be at odds with our 
syntax here, I think. UTF however should also work.
> > B  With Plain Text, you don't get the Unicode or Mime
> > problems that go along with 8-bit e-mails.
>
> I don't know what bMimeb is, but so far I never saw any
> Unicode problems,

YOU won't see any problems, since you're the originator.

"bMimeb" above is one of several "problems". So you CAN see the problems 
you caused for others in this response. They are minor for now, in this 
particular post, but in some cases can get you a lot of flames and grief. 
Not all, but some. Newsgroup standards, which are specced in an RFC and a Y 
both require Plain Text unless the group's bylaws say something different.

 at least not more than there seems to
> be some really old stuff out there that doesn't support
> it, but that's not my problem anyway, it's theirs.

 It's really your loss, of course. It's your right to do whatever you want 
to do of course, but if you'd like to use newsgroups/lists, you're going 
about it all wrong because the error is at your end hen you consider you're 
going to be talking to people who know more than you do.
> > HTH,
> >
> > Twayne`

HTH is simply to stand for "Hope This Helps" but it appears to me you may 
have a bit of a closed mind about having your e-mail settings straightened 
out so they are always readable.
   It's pretty much standard jargon for posting and e-mailing. There are 
places where you can look up that sort of thing but I think I'll resist 
finding the URLs for you right now because you appear right now to be a lost 
cause for good netiquette and 'net usage. It's very likely only that you're 
not aware of several things about the internet and communicating on it. 
People who are following the standards are simply not going to change 
anything to accomodate one person.

If you wish further assistance, feel free to contact me again and I'll set 
my filters to allow you thru to my personal e-mail if you prefer. There are 
many web sites for good information on everything talked about here and with 
a small bit of assistance they should be usable by you and several possibly 
in your native language. I'd be happy to assist you and look up URLs for you 
to read.

HTH,

Twayne`




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