Hi :)
I don't understand why there is such problem with installing LO on your system.
I don't think that many other people are having the same problem but it sounds
like a nightmare and needs to be sorted out somehow. Perhaps post a bug-report
about it?
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport
As Planas and Stephan said in the other thread the spell-check default is a bit
strange. You need to do
Tools – Options - "Language Settings" - "Writing Aids"
Top box needs to have some dictionaries and in the bottom box tick the top
option "Check spelling as you type" and also make sure the toolbar button is
pressed, the ABC with a red-wriggle under it.
I'm fairly certain all these things were already done by default in my install
of LibreOffice 3.3.2 in Ubuntu 10.04 (from the PPAs) so it's a bit weird that it
doesn't seem to be the default in Windows at the moment.
The spell-checker issue is a classic problem with a modular systems. The
advantage is that components can be swapped for other versions, eg take out the
English(US) and replace with French, or added or taken out completely. So, each
of us end-up with a tailored yet streamlined product.
The problem is that choosing "the default" is tricky. Each of us have different
ideas about which "is obviously the right way". NOT having a dictionary
installed and spell-checker on by default seems a stupid gaff to me and you but
a lot of people have learned to mis-trust the spell-checkers in Word and
emailing programs because they keep switching language back to US. If people
are on a Win2000 or netbook machine with tiny hard-drive space then they
probably want as little as possible. One persons "bloat" is another persons
"vitally crucial functionality".
Regards from
Tom :)
----- Original Message ----
From: Roxy Robinson <rocmar62@ranchwireless.com>
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sun, 12 June, 2011 19:14:48
Subject: Re: off-list Re: [libreoffice-users] Merge cell problem LO3.3.2.2
Yes, it is weird. I'm doing just exactly what the Help says to do to accomplish
this. Both for merging and un-merging.
I saw in another posting someone had a problem with their Spellchecker
"disappearing". I have had this problem twice since moving from OO to LO.
Spellchecker was working and then all of sudden I noticed, no matter what I was
entering, I wasn't getting ANY red squiggly lines. So would intentionally
misspell a word, and no red squiggly line. Go check my settings in "writing
aids", and I don't show ANY dictionaries available. I'm using what is supposed
to be the default ones installed with the program. Have to reinstall it. So,
what's making it disappear????
I have also had an "install" problem with the last 2 "production ready"
installers. To begin with, my download program has a place to enter to MD5 to
check the download. After the download is complete, you enter the MD5, hit
enter and if you download is good a red check appears next to the download. It
always shows OK. Then at a point where the install is at end of doing its
thing, it freezes - it stops. You can't close it, but it also freezes CPU usage
at 50%. I open Process Explorer and the installer "bin" file is using 50% CPU.
It will stay there as long as I am willing to leave it and the only way to stop
this whole thing is by killing the bin file process. Then I get my computer
back. After all is said and done, it appears the install is complete. I have
done this multiple times, and the same thing happens every time. I've used a
new download and nothing changes. Another "mystery"????
Roxy
Hi :)
I don't know the answer. It's a weird problem that shouldn't be happening.
We
have had a few problems like that in 3.4.0 but it's odd to have a problem in
3.3.2.
Normally when you merge cells it takes the contents of just 1 of those cells.
If more than 1 of the cells have contents then the program has difficulty
choosing which contents to combine or not or exclude or how to combine. The
results can be unpredictable. Excel used to just throw up an error message
similar to the one where you try to paste contents into a cell that already
contains something.
If Calc's behaviour was predictable in previous releases then perhaps
re-installing LO or even better, just renaming the profile, might be enough
to
fix the problem. I was hoping that someone who know specifically Calc would
answer but a few people seem to have been thrown by the lists change of
address
on Friday.
Regards from
Tom :)
----- Original Message ----
From: Roxy Robinson <rocmar62@ranchwireless.com>
To: Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk>
Sent: Sun, 12 June, 2011 16:46:30
Subject: Re: off-list Re: [libreoffice-users] Merge cell problem LO3.3.2.2
When I did a previous list, just for my class, I used the merge cells
function
without any problems whatsoever. That was over a year ago, so that
spreadsheet
was probably developed using OO, not LO. So, that makes me wonder if there
is
something lacking, or a bug in LO that is causing this. I still have that
older
spreadsheet, and can open it in LO, and everything is still just like it
should
be, with the cells merged. Is there a default setting in the options
somewhere
that is different between the 2 - OO & LO? Or, is this a bug? It seems to me
that once you have told cells to merge, they should stay merged until you
"un-merge" them. What's going on here??????? I thought this list was for
answers????
Roxy
Hi :
I'm not sure why the merge-cells wasn't working. When i was running a
similar
list i found combining cells made the list very unwieldy. Invariably i
would
then need to sort the spreadsheet some unexpected way and that would be
impossible. By keeping each element separate in the table it keeps your
list
flexible.
I agree about 11pt being the smallest and many people recommend 12pt for
accessibility issues.
With the database program it should be possible to create a special query
that
fills a row with a single result. That would help get 1955 into a
field/column
in all rows/records. Later you could add another class and set the query
to
look-up whether the field already has an entry and if empty would put in
the
new
value.
Most people have real trouble grasping database programs. The 4
different
components; tables, queries, forms and reports with only the tables
containing
the real data is difficult to understand. It's quite different from
Word/Writer
where the data that you see is where it appears to be. In queries, forms
and
records the data is not really there, it's only in the table. It's a bit
like
html where pictures are not embedded into the document and have to be kept
in
a
good place that the html page can see.
Regards from
Tom :)
----- Original Message ----
From: Roxy Robinson <rocmar62@ranchwireless.com>
> To: Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk>
> Sent: Sun, 12 June, 2011 2:58:23
Subject: Re: off-list Re: [libreoffice-users] Merge cell problem
LO3.3.2.2
> Mine is set up on legal sized paper, landscape mode, so that I can keep
the
font size up close to 11. When you're between 65 and 75 years old, it
helps
to
have a printout as large as possible. If you can't read it you might as
well
not have it. The CD handout is a good idea, but I would say about 30%
of
this
group don't use computers - don't even want to look at one. Seems odd to
me,
but then I've been playing with them since the Coleco Adam. And then
there
are
>quite a few that have computers, a nice internet connection, an email
address
and they don't know what to do with it. Its mostly for when their
grandkids
come. You still have to "snail mail" them or call them on the phone.
So, to keep it from printing just one or 2 columns on another page,
and
where
everyone can read it, I have to stick with legal sized (8.5 X 14) paper.
I did start playing with Base. Figured out how to give it access to my
>spreadsheet, but couldn't do anything with the "table" function, but did
a
"query" and I think I would have to change my spreadsheet some to get
the
info
in properly. My spreadsheet is done by "class year", with the year in
the
first
cell of the row above where each class starts. I think from what I saw I
would
have to add a column, probably column 1 with the year in each row of
that
>column, designating each person's class year. Then I also have deceased
class
members listed at the end of each class. That listing has the person's
name,
and if available, their death date. I believe, to get this info properly
>transferred I would have to put each deceased person back in their
"proper"
alphabetical order, but not sure about the death date - where to put it.
So, I will continue to play with this transfer to Base and see what I
can
learn. But I still don't understand why the "merge cells" won't hold in
my
>spreadsheet???
Roxy
Hi :)
I have attached the spreadsheet. I did a lot of formatting and
formulas
on
the
2nd sheet. Hopefully it should be possible to open both spreadsheets
at
the
same time and then right-click on the tab you want to move into the
other
spreadsheet/workbook.
>
I used "Tools - Options - Calc" to set formulas to be more compatible
with
Excel
which makes them look like this
=IF(TableData!E9&", "&TableData!F9&", "&TableData!G9&",
"&TableData!H9&".
"=",
,
, . ","",TableData!E9&", "&TableData!F9&", "&TableData!G9&",
"&TableData!H9&".
")
If the ! have changed to . then it's gone back to Calc format in which
case
the
compatibility setting probably doesn't matter as each program should
convert
it
correctly.
>
After moving the sheet into the right spreadsheet/workbook you might
need
to
do
search&replace to change "TableData" to "Sheet1". Hopefully that
should
have
an
interesting result. Check the last few though because i might not
have
copied
all the formulas far enough down.
>
I changed the page set-up to A4 rather than letter but it should still
fit
on
letter sized paper and switched to landscape and the font-size to quite
small,
> 10pt i think. It was the only way to get email addresses on the same
page
as
the persons name.
>
It occurred to me that it might be an excellent opportunity to hand the
address-list out on Cd/Dvd/usb-stick this year so that people get the
>electronic
versions of the list and also get the LibreOffice installers. It might
work
out
cheaper & easier! WebMaster at Kracked Press might have good ideas
about
it
if
you want to explore that route. I am not sure which would work out best
&
>it's
up to you.
Sorry i didn't explore the Base methods. I just got a bit carried
away
playing
with Calc :)
Thanks and regards from
Tom :)
>
----- Original Message ----
From: Roxy Robinson <rocmar62@ranchwireless.com>
> > To: Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk>
> > Sent: Sat, 11 June, 2011 21:48:49
Subject: Re: off-list Re: [libreoffice-users] Merge cell problem
LO3.3.2.2
Tom,
> I've attached a file that has 5 rows of data. All of them are MIA's
with
address, etc, info that no longer has anything to do with any of them.
The
way
>my current spreadsheet is set up is like line 3. The LAST name is the
last
name
as people would have known them by in high school. For females, that
would
be
>maiden names (why its in parentheses). The reason I was doing the
merge
on
names
is because it would take out almost the width of one column by merging
those
>3.
This would allow all the information to be printed on one legal sized
page
-
width, and still retain the 11 point font size (allows for easier
reading
by
> >this aging crowd). Its saved in xls format - I'm probably the only one
in
this
group that uses LO. And probably only one of a handful that uses a
>spreadsheet
of any kind. My smaller "class" directories generally fit on one
letter
size
page and I convert those to pdf to send out.
This big one I have until 10/2012 to get right so it can be printed
out
>and
distributed at the reunion.
Roxy
Hi :)
Can you create a copy of the spreadsheet, perhaps adding
>"rocmar-2011-06-11"
to
the end of the filename and afterwards just change the data in that
to
give
me
about 4 or 5 lines of faked data. I might have time to create a
mock-up
>and
you
might even be able to get that to read the right data, or just use
it
for
> >ideas.
Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
----- Original Message ----
From: Roxy Robinson <rocmar62@ranchwireless.com>
> > > To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > > Sent: Sat, 11 June, 2011 18:59:53
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Merge cell problem LO3.3.2.2
Tom,
> Thanks for your suggestions - I guess I will have to try that
since
I'm
not
getting what I want with what I'm doing.
This is "off" the subject issue, but I come from a very small
town.
My
> high
school class - 1961 - was the first to got over 50. We had 60 in
the
class,
>55
who "walked" on graduation night. The other 5 finished in summer
school.
The
> > >classes continued to grow after that, though I don't think they
ever
went
over
> >100; and are probably running around 70-75 now, if not less.
I just finished organizing my class's 50th reunion and am now
putting
>together
a reunion for the classes of 1955-1964. The total number of
students
during
> > >that period is, according to my spreadsheet, 500. I dare say, I
knew,
and
remember about 490 of those, along with quite a few others from
the
classes
before and after. We were all like one big family - you usually
knew
>whole
families because you knew someone in your class, or within 2 or 3
years
of
>your
class. Your classmates were, essentially, your group of friends.
Anyway, every class in this group has, in some format, a database
of
>their
classmates and their information. Each class has a few that have
gone
"missing
> > >in action", but we are all working together to find everyone. This
will
be
the
>4th, I think, combined reunion like this over the past 50 years,
and
this
combined database is something that got started after the first
one.
But,
>it
has
not been updated since the last reunion in 1997. Every classmate -
there
>are
a
few exceptions - has given there info to freely share with
everyone.
And
> > >everyone at this reunion will receive a copy of this spreadsheet
I'm
working
on.
> > > Roxy
Hi :)
I did something similar once. It's easier to keep the data
intact,
in
the
3
separate columns for data entry and for sorting the lists into
alphabetical
order and stuff but then use a 2nd worksheet (2nd tab at the
bottom)
to
> use
formulas to add the 3 names together. eg
A2 = Sheet1.A2 & " " & Sheet1.B2 & " " & Sheet1.C2
You might have renamed the worksheet tabs so just swap the new
name
for
"Sheet1"
but still make sure there is a dot . after it and before the
cell
address.
There are issues with "Data Protection" and respecting people's
right
to
privacy
> but if they have given you their addresses and know that it's
for
sharing
with
the whole class then that sort-of implies that they have given
you
permission.
I'm not sure wheter it's legally enough but it probably gives you
a
good
position.
Good luck and regards from
Tom :)
>
>
----- Original Message ----
> > From: Roxy Robinson <rocmar62@ranchwireless.com>
> > > > To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > > > Sent: Sat, 11 June, 2011 15:51:55
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Merge cell problem LO3.3.2.2
I have a 15 page spreadsheet of classmate addresses, phone
numbers,
email,
etc.
> >I "manipulate" this information in several different ways to
give
my
classmates
>different kinds of "directories". Anyway, their names are in
the
first
3
columns. This particular spreadsheet is going to include ALL the
> >information
on
>each person, will be printed on legal sized paper in landscape
format,
so
I
>need
a little more room to contain everything on the width of the
page.
So (SEVERAL TIMES) I have merged the cells in the first 3
columns.
This
contains the parts of their names, and allows me to conserve
enough
room
to
>get
everything on the width of the page. But every time I close LO,
and
then
> come
back to work on this spreadsheet, the cells are no longer
"merged".
They
> > will
not stay merged. I haven't gotten all the way through the
spreadsheet
-
at
one
time - to merge the cells. Would the "un-merged" cells that are
left
>in
the
3
>columns keep the ones above them from staying merged, or am I
doing
something
>wrong? I just don't understand - time after time - I merge them,
come
back
and
> >they are no long merged??????????
Roxy
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