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Right.

It would be best if they could form a separate self sustaining project.
Let's take a look at a different type of software, desktops or interfaces.

Currently we have a large number of interface projects, some closed, some
open, some mixed, on a wide variety of platforms ranging from extremely
small devices like the IPod Nano to extremely large like the Jumbotrons in
many stadiums.

These interface projects drive a wide variety of hardware, everything from
watches, MP3 players, phones, televisions, TV set top boxes, printers,
desktop/laptop computers, tablets, microwave ovens, refrigerators,
automobile entertainment systems, televisions, etc.

A large number of these projects are actually Free Software/Open Source.
Let's concentrate on the Laptop/Desktop market for now. Windows is a slowly
evolving proprietary (closed) interface. OS X is a slowly evolving mixed
interface.

All of the real competition is in the Free Software/Open Source side, where
there are a wide variety of projects, filling a wide variety of needs. We
have EDE <https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/EDE>,
√Čtoil√©,<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/%C3%89toil%C3%A9>
LXDE <https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/LXDE>,
Mezzo,<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Mezzo_%28desktop_environment%29>
ROX <https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/ROX_Desktop>,
UDE<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/UDE>,
AfterStep, <https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/AfterStep>
Compiz, <https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Compiz>
Enlightenment,<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Enlightenment_%28window_manager%29>
KWin <https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/KWin>,
Metacity<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Metacity>,
Sawfish<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Sawfish_%28window_manager%29>,
awesome<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Awesome_%28window_manager%29>,
Blackbox <https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Blackbox>,
Fluxbox<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Fluxbox>,
FVWM <https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/FVWM>,
IceWM<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/IceWM>,
JWM <https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/JWM>,
Openbox<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Openbox>,
twm <https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Twm>,
dwm<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Dwm>,
ratpoison <https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Ratpoison>,
UWM<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/UWM_%28computing%29>,
wmii <https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wmii>,
CDE<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Common_Desktop_Environment>,
IRIX<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/IRIX_Interactive_Desktop>,
*Xfce <https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Xfce>,
*GNOME<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/GNOME>,
and KDE<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/KDE_Software_Compilation>
.

As you may have guessed, I didn't pull the list from memory - I pulled it
from Wikipedia. The point is that the separate projects each have their own
aims and goals. Each produces different results. Each produces different
source code. Each ends up influencing the other projects, and also the
closed source projects. And they are currently evolving at a far faster pace
than the closed source projects, just like Libre Office is evolving at a far
faster pace than any other office suite, due to the competitive pressures
provided by the other projects.

Merge Open Office and Libre Office and you kill the competitive pressures
that would drive both projects to greater and greater heights. Keep them
apart, and you'll end up with projects that will quickly make Apple's IWork
and Microsoft's Office obsolete.

Anyone arguing for a merger is your greatest enemy, or a damned fool.
Competition drives innovation. If you merge with Open Office you'll be
handling Microsoft an easy victory.

Wayne aka The Mad Hatter
http://madhatter.ca


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On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Simos Xenitellis <
simos.lists@googlemail.com> wrote:

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Wayne Borean <wborean@gmail.com> wrote:
Glenn,

I think he's currently second richest, I can't remember his name, but
there's a guy in Mexico who owns a telecom company who is currently
richer.
Of course at that level, what's a billion or two?


On this note, I think we went well off-topic on the discussion.

The next steps are critical for LibreOffice and the Document Foundation.
Specifically, what's to happen with the (currently) Oracle employees
that work on OpenOffice?
Many of them are experienced OOo programmers. Will they be picked up
by someone to continue working on LibreOffice or [OpenOffice]?
Is Oracle talking to the Document Foundation to wrap up the hand-over
of OpenOffice?

As a community we should be ready for the outcome of these discussions
and contribute where we can.

Simos


On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Glenn <glennst01@gmail.com> wrote:

Wayne,

True, I don't know all the the details of MS's financials.  But I do
know
that
Bill Gates is probably the richest man in the world and it's all due to
MS.
I guess that's where my bias comes in.

Also, MS might be in a better financial position if they weren't so
arrogant.
Hence OpenOffice, LibreOffice and NeoOffice.

Let MS die.  They missed the boat and the market through arrogance.
Let them die by their own sword.

Glenn
P.S.  I see we have similar credentials from the same time period.

On 4/16/11 9:46 PM, Wayne Borean wrote:

Glenn,

I learned programming on an IBM mainframe using Punch Cards, my start
in
the
industry predates Microsoft's founding. I can remember the switch from
CP/M
to DOS 1.0. So yes, I know exactly what Microsoft did to the industry,
and
how they did it. I've actually read many of the legal filings from the
U.S.
anti-trust case.

I also know their financial limits which you don't.

Wayne


On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Glenn<glennst01@gmail.com>  wrote:

 Hey GPD.

Were you born yesterday?  You seem to have no idea of the brutality MS
applied in the '80's and the following 2 decades against users.

You don't have any overall computer savvy as far as I can tell;
you don't even know iMAC.

The SEC stuff is a financial-gain ruse to rob users.

Do some research and include all users.

Educate yourself before making pronouncements.

Thank you.

Glenn


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