Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Writer: Page Number/Page Count problem.

On 03/08/2011 03:16 AM, Arda Tunccekic wrote:
> I don't really care about the extension but *many* people use docx.
> It's not something specific to me.

Much of the work being done to make the "x" formats work, outside the 
Microsoft product line, is done by reverse engineering.  MS does not 
share the documentation that defines their XML "x" formats.  Even when 
they wanted it to be "the" ISO standard, the would not hand over all the 
needed definitions needed to develop the "codes" so non-MS packages 
could read/write those files properly.  So dedicated people are working 
on figuring out what the internal definitions are so LibreOffice [and 
others] can support MS's XML file formats.

> Thank you for your advice but you get funny when you say "It's coming, 
> sooner than you might think."
> I like LO, I appreciate the developers and I'm so willing to install 
> LO everywhere I can and I'm fighting in my company with people but i'm 
> nearly alone with this here.
> There are 200 pc users, I can't control who receive what document in 
> which format.
> But I know they want it working good, they want it to be compatible 
> with doc and docx format and they don't want to face bugs like I told 
> yesterday.
> When anything goes wrong, they want to give up, they want to go back 
> to mso.
>
> The documents I talk about is being used in contracts with pfizer , 
> novartis, etc which are imporant documents here.
> LO have "office" in it's name, so I can presume it's targeted for  the 
> office use.
> If you have success over convincing people to use an office 
> application which can't do page numbering while they need it, I wan't 
> to know how you manage it.
> Users here really don't want to spend time with bugs or any 
> conversions and memorize every workaround for every situation.
> And most of the problems I face here is about compatibility.
> This is nothing personal, nothing emotional and I am sure there are 
> many other companies in a similar profile.
> If you think docx can be avoided and it's unnecessary, propose 
> dropping it from the distro.
> But I wish it can do page numbering instead.
>
> On 08.03.2011 04:27, MR ZenWiz wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 5:17 AM, Arda Tunccekic<arda@duzen.com.tr>  
> > wrote:
> > > If the "x format" is the default format in the leading&mainstream 
> > > office
> > > product, you can't escape from it unfortunately.
> > Sure you can, especially when the "leading [for $]&  mainstream"
> > office product supports both formats: just change your default format
> > to .doc (.xls, etc) and your output documents will be 100% compatible
> > with the .???x formats (if you're using MSO), or 95+% compatible if
> > you're using OO or LO.
> >
> > > It is useful for me because the documents are smaller in size.
> > Better to use .odf formats for this, and they work even in MSO 2007+.
Last time I knew, MSO did not do a good job at supporting ODF.  Sun [now 
Oracle] had an extension that you could add to MSO that worked, 
somewhat, to allow MSO to read/write ODF, but MSO had stated that they 
planned on doing this natively in their next version.  That was in 2010 
[I think], and I was told that MSO did not do a good job natively 
supporting ODF.  I could be wrong, since I have not updated MSO beyond 
2003, and I rely on others who have tested this "native support".
> > > I know it's so much pain for the development team but LO should be
> > > compatible in every possible way.
> > They are and do, but there are limits when you don't have the
> > resources of a market giant with monopoly power (so far) and a
> > proprietary format that no one likes.
> >
> > > If someday LO market takes over, LO can set the rules.
> > It's coming, sooner than you might think.


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