Re: [libreoffice-users] Problema agrupar-desagrupar datos

Hi :)

Translations done by humans that understand the target language are really the 
only way to get a useful result.  I would guess that sometimes 
machine-translators help but often MTs generate confusion or amusement rather 
than good answers - even despite recent dramatic steps forwards in MTs.

Luckily this Office Suite has been around for over 10years AND it has a huge 
international, multilingual community.  The Suite has changed names 2 times in 
the last decade with a few people from the community continuing under the old 
name each time.  Even those left behind continue to help this project and TDF 
tries to share good results with them too.

Brazilian-Portuguese has at least 2 fairly massive communities and i think 1 of 
them even gets funding to help with marketing, support, development and 
translations.  German and Italian teams are also strong.  Pardus (one 
government's operating system (a linux desktop distro)) was one of the first 
adopters of LibreOffice.  Most other countries that fund development of their 
own linux desktop distros already have (or soon will (probably)) adopt LO too.

Translations are NOT a trivial issue but LibreOffice has support from several 
large organisations (RedHat, Canonical, Ubuntu-community etc) and even some 
support from various governments.  It does seem that LibreOffice builds a lot 
from voluntary work and highly values even small contributions from volunteers 
but there are other factors bolstering that.  Always good to see someone new 
join, so welcome in :)

I still don't know the original problem but hopefully you have been able to 
copy&paste it to an appropriate "NL" Team's support mailing list.
Good luck and many regards from
Tom :)





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From: Helmar <tucuna@gmail.com>
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Thu, 24 February, 2011 19:23:20
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problema agrupar-desagrupar datos

Helmar Fernandes
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Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat user
www.aquahobby.com
www.penguim.net/pocosdecaldas



On 24 February 2011 15:42, Glenn <glennst01@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Tom and Luis,
>
> I forgot about the many translations of LibreOffice out there.  But I don't
> think there is a version
> in Portugese currently available; however, I discussed the issue of
> additional translations
> with a friend several days ago - before this issue was even posted.


I Glenn....  yes.... there is a version of LibreOffice in Portuguese.... but
if you´re referring to Portuguese from Portugal the answer is I dont know...
I´m talking about Brazilian Portuguese
(PT-BR<http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/PT-BR/>)
which is different from the PT that refers to all other places where the
portuguese language is spoken...

And I´m proud to say that we are one of the most active LibreOffice
communities all around the world.
If you want you can take a look at our
magazine<http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/PT-BR/Revista>.

> He said providing a version of s/w in another language was fairly easy: you
> only have to
> understand the language you are translating from and the one you want to
> translate to
> for verification of the translation.
>
> He tells me that there are packages readily available to automate the
> translation.  He
> says that this is probably how other, non-English versions have been made
> available
> for LibreOffice.  Some minor editing  may be required and, according to
> him, they are mainly
> limited to using abbreviations in order to fit the field.
>
> So there seems to be a solution already available!  That is a good thing!
>
> Regards,
> Glenn
>
>
> On 2/24/11 12:55 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
>
> > Hi :)
> >
> > English is the only language i understand although sometimes i can
> > understand
> > american geek too.  Still, there are so many machine translators available
> > that
> > the need to stick rigorously to 1 single language seems a bit out-dated
> > even for
> > people like me.  It probably is best to stick with american or English in
> > this
> > list but accidents happen and they remind us that TDF is greater than we
> > are
> > normally aware of.  "To err is human but feels devine"
> >
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Glenn<glennst01@gmail.com>
> > To: users@libreoffice.org
> > Sent: Thu, 24 February, 2011 17:35:07
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problema agrupar-desagrupar datos
> >
> > On 2/24/11 12:04 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> >
> > Tom&   Luis,
> >
> > I hesitatingly agree.  Spanish is a language used by many people all
> > over the world but so is Mandarin;
> > however, English is the most common language used by int'l businesses
> > and many of us are
> > using OO or LO in a business context.
> >
> > Therefore, communication on the LibreOffice forum should be in English.
> > I think the object we would all agree upon is the need for communication
> > which has proved invaluable
> > to me as a new user.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Glenn
> > ________________________________
> >
> > > From: Luiz Oliveira<luizheli@gmail.com>
> > > To: users@libreoffice.org
> > > Sent: Thu, 24 February, 2011 16:49:15
> > > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problema agrupar-desagrupar datos
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Hola,
> > > > Soy Juan Carlos.
> > > > Os envío una hoja de cálculo para que comprobéis lo que me pasa.
> > > > Agrupo imágenes insertadas. Al desagruparlas desaparecen. ¿Por qué?
> > > > Gracias y un saludo
> > > >
> > > > Messages to this list should be strictly in English!!
> > >
> > > Rgds,
> > >
> > >
> > > Luiz Oliveira
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi :)
> > >
> > > I think there are different lists for non-english but i do like the
> > > occasional
> > > definite reminder that we are a multilingual organisation.
> > > Regards from
> > > Tom :)
>
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